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Subject: The China Syndrome & the British Navy
human7    7/10/2004 10:00:29 AM
If China launches an invasion of Taiwan, the United States would most certainly react. (This whole notion of ambiguity is American PR.) The question is would the United Kingdom would the stand idly by or would they help to repel the Chinks?
 
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Lanton    RE:No heart for war. Landon   7/4/2005 2:40:49 AM
[quote]And I have a degree in physics and a strong minor in philosophy[/quote]You've got a strong minor in philosophy...yet you're of the opinion that the 'liberal' media alone has somehow concocted the American public's dissatisfaction with the President?! A pity it wasn't a small minor in political science or the international relations field.
 
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Pseudonym    RE:No heart for war. Landon   7/4/2005 4:52:11 AM
Iraq is an open ended Insurgency with the supply bases outside the war zone and not being shut down. That pisses my countrymen off, and makes people wonder if we will have the will for the prolonged fight. China is a target that is not based on an idea, it is not an elusive foe. We can give our public timetables of how long it would take to totally dismantle the Chinese ability to make war. And that would be pretty fast. As JHaley just said, there is a big difference in technology and numbers. It is the kind of war my country loves, one we win gloriously, returning freedom to the oppressed or invaded. After losing the fight for Taiwan, the CCP would collapse, and most people the world over would rejoice. Plus there would be no occupation to worry about, cuz ain't no chance in hell we gonna even try to put troops into China.
 
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Pseudonym    RE:No heart for war. Landon   7/4/2005 4:56:48 AM
China's only hope to take Taiwan is to somehow keep the US Navy away for a week so they can land the troops and supplies to fininsh off where their Airborne and Naval Landing troops ended. If they were able to take the Island and significantly fortify it, the situation could become quite sticky. They would most likely be blockaded to keep the Chinese from resupply, but then the Taiwanese civilians would face starvation. All around a sticky mess. And yes, every Royal Navy ship in the area would integrate with my Navy's battlegroups. Protection in numbers.
 
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The Lizard King    Knowing Americans through the Media is impossible and irresponsible.   7/5/2005 12:47:11 PM
"then the American public would quickly lose it's appetite for war with China" We Americans are lot different than we are portrayed by the World Media. I love how people think they know us even though they have never been to America or have no American friends. American media is politically-driven. Americans want to be in Iraq which is why George W. Bush was reelected. What is happening with Iraq is the Democrats are trying to regain power by discrediting Bush & the Republicans by trying to convince the American Public that the War is a disaster.
 
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Lanton    RE:Knowing Americans through the Media is impossible and irresponsible.   7/5/2005 10:27:49 PM
Well that's odd, you're saying George W. was re-elected because the American people want to remain in Iraq...yet his popularity with the American people is now at an all-time low. The American people would much rather be out of Iraq, but that doesn't mean that they're willing to just cut and run from their responsibilities. I understand the need to remain in Iraq and finish what we started, but that's a far-cry from being able to say that the American WANT to remain in Iraq indefinitely. Any conflict between the US and China would spell disaster for the US and European economies and world-peace, and i highly doubt the Americans would be willing to sacrifice it's economic status and world peace over Taiwan. Having the heart to subdue Iraq's conventional forces and fight some pissy little insurgent groups in Iraq is one thing. Fighting China would be an entirely different thing altogether. The Americans had to use the Northern Alliance to kick the Taliban out of Afgahnistan, the Americans failed to capture Bin Laden at Tora Bora, Operation Anaconda was a farce, the American's failure to prepare contingencies for fighting insurgents as well as conventional forces in Iraq cost the lives of many a Marine and Army grunt. God help us all if the Americans decided to stand and fight it out with the Chinese over Taiwan.
 
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Pseudonym    Lanton   7/6/2005 12:15:59 AM
"The Americans had to use the Northern Alliance to kick the Taliban out of " God help us all if the Americans decided to stand and fight it out with the Chinese over Taiwan." LOL. God help the Chinese, they sure are gonna need it. So Lanton, how is the crack you are smoking?
 
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Pseudonym    RE:Lanton   7/6/2005 12:16:54 AM
"God help us all if the Americans decided to stand and fight it out with the Chinese over Taiwan." LOL. God help the Chinese, they sure are gonna need it. So Lanton, how is the crack you are smoking?
 
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Lanton    RE:Lanton   7/6/2005 12:35:02 AM
The US didn't have the conventional forces on hand to kick the Taliban out of Afgahnistan by late 2001, so the Pentagon formulated a plan to defeat the Taliban revolving around inserting Intelligence Service operators and US Special Forces units into Afgahnisatn who would pay off the Northern Alliance and other anti-Taliban groups, search for high-value targets and coordinate their attacks against the Taliban with the use of US airpower. When you've got the time, have a read of [url=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/074325547X/qid=1120624142/sr=2-2/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_2/002-5014138-0028037]Plan of Attack[/url] by Bob Woodward and [url=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0385512457/qid=1120624340/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/002-5014138-0028037]America's Secret War: Inside the Hidden Worldwide Struggle Between the United States and Its Enemies[/url] by George Friedman.
 
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jhaley    RE:Lanton   7/6/2005 3:00:57 AM
If the Chinese follow your lead they will get a great big American can of "whupass" opened on them before they can say sh@t!...You also don't have a clue about the Stan....Hope your Chinese friends draw the same conclusions!
 
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Lanton    RE:Lanton   7/6/2005 3:23:21 AM
'Stan'?
 
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