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SYSOP    2/12/2012 7:45:59 AM
 
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bikebrains       2/12/2012 10:42:25 AM
"The navy surprised everyone two years ago by choosing both designs, and requesting that the fifty or so LCS ships be split between the two very different looking ships."    This has always sounded crazy.  The purpose of a competition is to scientifically judge which of the two designs is the best.   The extensive analysis should follow all of the rules of the Scientific Method to determine the best design.  Then produce the better of the two.   The whole LCS project should be reviewed adding the current experience to the knowledge base that is analyzed.    If the better of the two designs does not meet expectations then the project should be halted so that the best path can be chosen.   There are a number of options among them: develop a third design, use a more traditional design based on proven technology or postpone LCS until all of the problems with the current LCS can be solved.    Remember, this country is nearly broke.    
 
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Chris       2/12/2012 10:53:21 AM
The most serious problem is in the USS Independence, a radical trimaran design. It seems that a "dissimilar metals" situation arose when salt water, the aluminum hull and some other metals got into close proximity with each other, and extensive corrosion resulted. 
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It isn't like this problem wasn't known, and it isn't like multi-hulled designs are unknown.  The design reviews were clearly inadequate. 
 
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antares    Inadequate?   2/12/2012 7:59:50 PM

The design reviews were clearly inadequate.

Correction:  The design reviewers were clearly inadequate.
 
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jessmo_24       2/13/2012 3:44:41 AM
has anyone ever thought about using off the shelf tech to improve the LCS lethality?
 here are some I deas I had
 
1. A Mission module with a MLRS/ATACMS launching capability. This would give the options of havng the 190 Mile ATACMs stand off capability, or the Guided or unguided MLRS. Both the Shore bombardment, small fast attack boat defence and stand off missiosn coudl be solved easily.
 
2. A Side mounted TLAM/harpoon canister. Even if you only had 4 this would turn the ship into a fast moving missile boat.
 
3. Side Mount sea rams in alot more places around the ship. Why not use the searam for both offence and defence? The missiles would shred fast boats.
 
In a time when the navy should exercise fiscal restraint. Its odd that the USn  wont use more avialable tech.
 
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JFKY       2/13/2012 9:28:20 AM
1. A Mission module with a MLRS/ATACMS launching capability. This would give the options of having the 190 Mile ATACMs stand off capability, or the Guided or unguided MLRS. Both the Shore bombardment, small fast attack boat defense and stand off mission could be solved easily.
 
And the targeting information comes from where?  Plus is LCS' job to deliver long-range fire?
 
2. A Side mounted TLAM/harpoon canister. Even if you only had 4 this would turn the ship into a fast moving missile boat.
 
Requires an upgrade, I'd imagine, to the combat system.  Harpoon targeting requires a dedicated C4I system, as Harpoon is rather long-ranged.
 
3. Side Mount sea rams in a lot more places around the ship. Why not use the searam for both offense and defense? The missiles would shred fast boats.
 
SeaRam, comes at a weight penalty, stability penalty, and RAM is targeted via RF reception, what will RAM home in on in a Boghammar?
 
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StobieWan       2/17/2012 6:53:17 AM
I don't think the USN needs more Harpoon launchers - LCS will be carrying the Griffin in a set of VLS boxes which is good enough for Boghammers etc. No sense in putting TLAM on the thing, it's not part of the mission set.
 
I suspect that the LCS will end up with the 25mm bushmaster mounts from the ASUW modules permanently mounted - they're useful and cheap.
 
The thing I do not understand is that LCS was meant to replace three hulls with one, and now they've got two hulls, and of course, as it was never intended to run them alongside another, there's now a major spares and training overhead as the two ships have different CIC's and different CMS plus radar fit.
 
 

has anyone ever thought about using off the shelf tech to improve the LCS lethality?

 here are some I deas I had

 

1. A Mission module with a MLRS/ATACMS launching capability. This would give the options of havng the 190 Mile ATACMs stand off capability, or the Guided or unguided MLRS. Both the Shore bombardment, small fast attack boat defence and stand off missiosn coudl be solved easily.

 

2. A Side mounted TLAM/harpoon canister. Even if you only had 4 this would turn the ship into a fast moving missile boat.

 

3. Side Mount sea rams in alot more places around the ship. Why not use the searam for both offence and defence? The missiles would shred fast boats.

 

In a time when the navy should exercise fiscal restraint. Its odd that the USn  wont use more avialable tech.

 
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dogberry       2/17/2012 10:54:11 PM
Will they be able to fly an F-35 off an LCS?
 
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myhandlewontfi    no   2/18/2012 8:17:18 AM
no the F35 will melt the LCS :P (With its exhaust) And for gods sake dont say that out loud someone may try it, if they can get an admiral to think it is a good idea. :P
 
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