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Subject: More trash on the Oliver Hazard Perry Class
Thomas    1/23/2004 8:28:59 AM
If I remember correctly, the USNavy estimates the yearly running cost of a OHP class to 19 mio USD (please correct if I'm wrong - can't find the info right now).

If this is true, then it might be worth while to look at the competition: The Danish Thetis Class, which is not only build to artic waters, but actually - according to the Danish governments budget statement - has an annual average running cost of 43 mio DKK (even at the present exchange rate is only 8 mio USD)

Any Aussies looking for a bargain??????
 
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gf0012-aus    OHP's in the RAN - Thomas    2/18/2004 4:21:00 PM
Thomas, the OHP's are used as blue water assets in the Aust Navy (RAN). SO they do range "far and wide". The changing ORBAT of our navy also means that until they are used as divers wrecks/RIMPAC kill opportunities or sunk for testing by our subs, that they will be more ocean tasked. The coastal work will be picked up by Ocean Patrol Vessels (armidale class) and this will release them for more vigorous work.
 
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Mark F    RE:Thetis Jack Tar Mark F    2/18/2004 4:32:05 PM
No the Thetis is not a warship. It's too slow for task force escort and carries no credible anti-air, anti-surface or anti-submarine armament. Even if fully fitted out with all the possible weapons containers (which have not been procured which makes this difficult) she would be the modern equivilant of a WWII PCE or a post-war Type 14 - a 3rd rate frigate. They are called fisheries protection vessels because that is what they are and the compromises made in the design CLEARLY favor that role. That is of course just fine because that is what the user required. The Nils Juel class are warships and have very little practical peacetime role. The differences between what a fishery protection vessel requires and what a warship requires is fairly obvious just comparing these two classes. The OHP's are not "overly large" for patrolling north or south of Australia. They are proper warships procured with the intention to guarantee Australia's sea lines of communication from air, surface and sub-surface threats.
 
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Thomas    RE:Thetis Jack Tar Mark F    2/19/2004 5:13:07 AM
Mark F: link
 
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Mark F    RE:Thetis Jack Tar Mark F    2/19/2004 7:28:57 AM
Sorry, don't read Danish. Your point is?
 
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Thomas    RE:Thetis Jack Tar Mark F    2/20/2004 1:59:33 AM
Point is: What they tell you and what reality is is not always the same. As there is standard containers, the actual weapon fit is according to an evaluation of the operational situation. The air air containers have been bought, as far as I know, but you may be better informed, though not necessarily for the arctic patrols. By the way: The last Convoy escorts Denmark had was the Herluf Trolle class frigates. As far as I know, they were never run to full speed at delivery trial. In one of the defence debates, where the argument was that the frigates were necessary for the defence of the inner Danish shores, a British admiral just blew it by praising them for their ability to escort convoys. The meandering of a Danish defence debate follows other rules than an american one: We got to be able to defend ourselves, but nothing lethal! They are especially dodgy about anything around Greenland and the Fairisles.
 
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Mark F    RE:Thetis Jack Tar Mark F    2/20/2004 7:31:55 AM
The air defense containers exist (Mk 48 Mod 3) but in small numbers for the Stanflex 300 FAC-M's. No other weapons containers have been procured for these ships so far as I can tell which means no training has been done on their installation and use. As equipped now the Thetis are not combat vessels.
 
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Thomas    RE:More trash on the Oliver Hazard Perry Class   2/26/2004 2:05:04 AM
As they sail this moment you are right, they are probably not warships. You got to realise, that the crew on board also serves on other vessels. The Danish Navy is small, so to get any decent amount of seatime, it is common to have a spell on board the inspection ships. Secondly - the need for brassknuckles has reduced significantly, as the fear of Bears out of Murmansk has reduced.
 
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Thomas2    RE:Mark F    2/28/2004 6:33:51 PM
The New class of support ships for the Danish Navy has been launched, but not named yet. They are are not combat vessels in Your sense either. But they only cost a 100 mio USD a piece. The Navy say: 90% of a combat vessel at 50% of the price. Well I don't know - and I don't want to say anything bad about the US Navy (they don't deserve that - honestly) - but the Danish Navy terrorised the known and unknown world before anyone thought of the "new world" - and kept us alive as a nation for 1000+ years, so you might guess whose advice I would take.....
 
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