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Subject: Sampson or AN/SPY1
usajoe1    5/23/2009 5:10:37 AM
I think the the only real advantage for the AN/SPY1 on the Arleigh Burke DDG is that it has four fixed arays,that give it a continues coverage over the rotating arays of the T-45's Sampson radar. Which system do you guys think its better and which of these destroyers is a better Air Defense ship.
 
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benellim4       5/26/2009 7:04:42 PM
The T45 does have its advantages, mainly that its radar is very high giving it a better height of eye against incoming sea-skimming missiles. It's not really debatable, it's just science.
 
That said, when you compare the radars which version are you comparing. The SPY-1A is not the SPY-1B/D is not the SPY-1D(V). The D(V) is a very interesting radar. Yes SPY-1 is a PESA vice Sampson's AESA, but I'd put money on the SPY-1D(V) if for no other reason than it has build on 4 decades of experience. 
 
Now which is the better ship? IMO, DDG-51 beyond a shadow of a doubt. The T45 is reliant upon the Aster missile which hasn't been tested against supersonic threats, AFAIK. The DDG-51 uses the tried and true Standard Missile family. The DDG-51 carries more missiles, can use the ESSM and has Mk15. The T45 has Aster 30 and 15. It can carry the Mk15, but doesn't. DDG-51 can defend against ballistic missile threats; the T45 cannot.
 
If I'm going into battle, I'm taking the DDG-51-class. Then again, I am a bit biased towards it.
 
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John G       5/28/2009 6:29:53 AM
Radar to radar in my opinion AN/SPY1 is better because its got 4 seperate arrays and full contious coverage. Sampson is higher than AN/SPY1 and therefore has an increased horizon but the lower amount of arrays is a cost cutting measure as the machinary to spin the the whole thing surely cannot be much less than the weight of another 1 (or 2) array needed for full coverage. However comparing the actual platform I'm not so sure the DDG-51's are not equipped with a secondary air search radar (as far as a I was aware) unlike the T 45 which has the Alenia Marconi Systems/Signaal S 1850M long-range 3D radar how much this impacts performance I dont know...
 
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prometheus       5/28/2009 9:03:40 AM
One thing I would point out with regards to SAMPSON is that the publically released information states that the rotation is something like 30 revs per minute - such that no piece of sky is left for more than one second on average - albeit this can be shorter or longer depending on the electronic sweep of the AESA radar beam.
 
So I would contend that in that respect, the disadvantage of rotating two arrays is minimised if not totally negated.
 
Of course what we are discussing is merely the front end of a large integrated system.
 
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perfectgeneral2       7/19/2009 8:19:53 PM
The Sampson arrays can be static if you use five sides of a cube. If it needed to be better, it could be. Either the requirement, the money or both aren't there to make that happen. Either there is some overspend going on (not something to be proud of) or the Spy and Sampson systems are about the same.
 
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