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Subject: vls on u.s. carriers
stinger    2/6/2008 1:21:40 AM
are they going to install vertical launch system on the new carriers , so they can fire sm-2 or sm-3 missiles, essm or even a salvo of tomahawks, that might be a little over kill, but at least be capable of defending itself in the modern days.it would be such a waste if not. the destroyers and cruisers can still protect the carrier in choke points and straits but focus more on destroying the enemy than providing cover at all times but just in critical areas.
 
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larryjcr    Defensive missiles aboard carriers   2/6/2008 1:36:27 AM
No unless there's been a radical change of doctrine.
At one point, back in the 70s, the idea of SAMs on carriers was tried and written off.  It was decided that space a weight on the carrier should be dedicated to the air group and the weapons, fuel, etc., it needed to operate.  Onboard weapons were limited to close in defensive stuff (phalanx and RAM).  The CV is ALWAYS escorted by at least some surface warships and the longer range SAMs and SSMs were better place aboard them.
 
Now putting in VLS systems for something like the Surface Launched AMRAAM might be worth considering.  It would be compact enough not to be much of a bother, and add a bit more depth to the terminal defenses against Vampires.
 
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benellim4       2/6/2008 11:36:25 AM
No. There is no need. The carriers are plenty capable of protecting themselves from the threats of today. In fact VLS has its disadvantages. I wouldn't use one unless the ship's primary mission is to be a shooter. That's the only way the disadvantages outweigh the advantages.
 
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benellim4       2/6/2008 11:37:09 AM
Now putting in VLS systems for something like the Surface Launched AMRAAM might be worth considering.  It would be compact enough not to be much of a bother, and add a bit more depth to the terminal defenses against Vampires.
ESSM does fine.
 
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stinger       2/6/2008 2:07:08 PM
The russians have VLS on its new carriers. the EBSIS UI' YANOVSK class is not as large as an American carrier but packs more fire power and is capable of providing its own air defense with long range missiles stored in VLS.
 
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benellim4       2/6/2008 4:54:47 PM

The russians have VLS on its new carriers. the EBSIS UI' YANOVSK class is not as large as an American carrier but packs more fire power and is capable of providing its own air defense with long range missiles stored in VLS.

And I have to ask the question, so what? Putting long range missiles on a carrier is a surefire way of saying that your carrier is a compromised design that cannot generate enough sorties.

The US has been doing this full-sized carrier thing for close to 100 years now. The evolution of the carrier design has happened with very good reason. And before someone starts the lame argument that the US is hide-bound in their ways and may miss on some unforeseen opportunity, I would have to remind the audience that the US has toyed with the idea of putting long range SAMs on ships in the 50s/60s. Carrier design was re-evaluated again in the 70s. And has most recently been re-evaluated in the late 90s/early 00s with the development of CVN-21.
 
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Herald12345       2/6/2008 10:33:49 PM

The russians have VLS on its new carriers. the EBSIS UI' YANOVSK class is not as large as an American carrier but packs more fire power and is capable of providing its own air defense with long range missiles stored in VLS.


That particular "ship" is a myth from a fantasy game called "Rifts". Just what kind of fanboy are you?

Herald
 
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stinger       2/6/2008 11:25:06 PM
My mistake on the russian class, but they still have VLS on their carriers.  JACK ASS!!!
 
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Herald12345       2/6/2008 11:33:45 PM

My mistake on the russian class, but they still have VLS on their carriers.  JACK ASS!!!

My favorite type of fanboy! As if I care about your opinions at all? Get in line behind the rest of them and get stuffed.

Herald
 
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stinger       2/7/2008 12:15:23 AM
anyways getting back on track, there is provisions to add the VLS on the new class of carriers to house the ESSM only, it would be nice to see it have the aegis system for the  standard missiles.
 
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displacedjim       2/7/2008 12:42:04 AM
And getting back to the answer:  No, it wouldn't, as that would be a needless complication that would compromise its primary mission capabilities of generating aircraft sorties.  Aegis belongs on the cruisers and destroyers that escort the carriers that can devote the real estate to the AAW mission as their primary function.
 
 
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