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Subject: How would you defend Taiwan from PRC attack
    10/5/2007 6:34:14 PM
Hey Folks, How an d with what equipment would yu use to defend Taiwan from a PRC attack with the oblective to limit the war to the two of them???? Sincerely, Keith
 
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YelliChink       10/10/2007 3:29:33 PM
You guys seem to forget about Kargil and the Indian Parliament shootings that almost triggered the Fourth Indian-Pakistan War.
 
 
 
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Softwar       10/10/2007 3:45:28 PM

You guys seem to forget about Kargil and the Indian Parliament shootings that almost triggered the Fourth Indian-Pakistan War.

 

 



True enough but Kargil and the Parliment shootings did not lead to an all out war.  In fact, both sides tip-toed around each other trying to avoid an all out shoot-em-up.  They were both scared it would lead to nuclear combat.
 
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YelliChink       10/10/2007 5:35:39 PM


True enough but Kargil and the Parliment shootings did not lead to an all out war.  In fact, both sides tip-toed around each other trying to avoid an all out shoot-em-up.  They were both scared it would lead to nuclear combat.
The commies still could take some of ROC-controlled islands in the strait or in South China Sea as a way to provoke the situation. Such action is aimed to test the bottom line in decision making of strategic level. The most dangerous one is Wuchio island in between Matsu and Kinmen. The island is so small such that the elementary school of your boy is probably bigger than that. This also serves as a face-saving measure for the commies.

 
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Herald1234       10/10/2007 6:06:39 PM




True enough but Kargil and the Parliment shootings did not lead to an all out war.  In fact, both sides tip-toed around each other trying to avoid an all out shoot-em-up.  They were both scared it would lead to nuclear combat.

The commies still could take some of ROC-controlled islands in the strait or in South China Sea as a way to provoke the situation. Such action is aimed to test the bottom line in decision making of strategic level. The most dangerous one is Wuchio island in between Matsu and Kinmen. The island is so small such that the elementary school of your boy is probably bigger than that. This also serves as a face-saving measure for the commies.



You have to put a Human face on the trigger event. In Europe that was the Seventh Army. If that had been attacked and destroyed. then the Russians knew central war was next.

What do the Beijing bandits recognize as the NO CROSS  LINE?

It would be that kind of trigger  Taiwan needs and would have to enforce to the LIMIT.

The funny thing is that Taiwan, that small little island possesses  the means  to make the Beijing bandits soerry that they ever were born; if the RoC just practiced the Han virtues of patience and corruption of the enemy.

Pit country folk against city folk and bring on the revolution.

How many times have the Mandarins fallen to  peasant revolts?

Herald
 
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YelliChink       10/10/2007 6:21:37 PM


You have to put a Human face on the trigger event. In Europe that was the Seventh Army. If that had been attacked and destroyed. then the Russians knew central war was next.

What do the Beijing bandits recognize as the NO CROSS  LINE?

It would be that kind of trigger  Taiwan needs and would have to enforce to the LIMIT.

The funny thing is that Taiwan, that small little island possesses  the means  to make the Beijing bandits soerry that they ever were born; if the RoC just practiced the Han virtues of patience and corruption of the enemy.

Pit country folk against city folk and bring on the revolution.

How many times have the Mandarins fallen to  peasant revolts?

Herald

Even the smallest island of ours has a considerable garrison on it. Many residents of these islands leech money out of those garrisons, and the garrisons actually out-number civilian residents there. Even the smallest one has hundreds living in underground tunnels. ROC Army officers apparently have seriously studied IJA defenses of Pacific islands. The fact is that our weapons systems can cover those islands from Pescadores and Taiwan except those in SCS, but if commies persist, they still can overwhelm defenses regardless the loss they will take. These islands are defensible only if we have something similar to Davy Crockett on them.
 
That would be very funny if there are some Davy Crockett. It means the risk of war is always nuke level.
 
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YelliChink       10/10/2007 6:43:59 PM
How many times have the Mandarins fallen to  peasant revolts?

Herald
Not many.
First Dynasty: Xia -> fell to nobles who establish Shan
Shan Dynasty -> fell to nobles of Zhou
Zhou Dynasty -> disintegrated due to failure of feudal system
Qin Dynasty -> failed from peasant rebellion, but only defeated by re-independent kingdoms
West Han Dynasty -> usurped by Wang Mang
Xin Dynasty -> failed from incompetence, triggered peasant rebellion, but defeated by Han royals
East Han Dynasty -> failed from peasant rebellion, but disintegrated by warlords
Jin Dynasty -> failed by civil war between royal lords, but lost northern territories to barbarians similar to how Western Roman Empire to barbarians.
Northern dynasties -> conquer, usurp                           Southern dynasties -> usurp, usurp
Sui Dynasty -> weakened by peasant rebellion, the emperor murdered by his generals, and another general took control.
Tang Dynasty -> weakened by peasant rebellion, the crone was usurped, while warlords declared independence.
Age of Five dynasties and Ten Kingdoms -> usurp, conquer, usurp
Song Dynasty -> northern part lost to Jurchen (Jing), while southern part lost to Mongols.
Yuen (Mogol) Dynasty -> driven back to the great Steppe by peasant rebellion.
Ming Dynasty -> the capital fell to peasant rebellion, but the rest of the empire lost to Manchurians.
Qing Dynasty -> weakened by peasant rebellion, but only lost power to its generals.
ROC -> driven to Taiwan and re-establish its government

Strictly speaking, only two.
 
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Herald1234       10/11/2007 7:15:52 AM

How many times have the Mandarins fallen to  peasant revolts?

Herald

Not many.

First Dynasty: Xia -> fell to nobles who establish Shan

Shan Dynasty -> fell to nobles of Zhou

Zhou Dynasty -> disintegrated due to failure of feudal system

Qin Dynasty -> failed from peasant rebellion, but only defeated by re-independent kingdoms

West Han Dynasty -> usurped by Wang Mang

Xin Dynasty -> failed from incompetence, triggered peasant rebellion, but defeated by Han royals

East Han Dynasty -> failed from peasant rebellion, but disintegrated by warlords

Jin Dynasty -> failed by civil war between royal lords, but lost northern territories to barbarians similar to how Western Roman Empire to barbarians.

Northern dynasties -> conquer, usurp                           Southern dynasties -> usurp, usurp

Sui Dynasty -> weakened by peasant rebellion, the emperor murdered by his generals, and another general took control.

Tang Dynasty -> weakened by peasant rebellion, the crone was usurped, while warlords declared independence.

Age of Five dynasties and Ten Kingdoms -> usurp, conquer, usurp

Song Dynasty -> northern part lost to Jurchen (Jing), while southern part lost to Mongols.

Yuen (Mogol) Dynasty -> driven back to the great Steppe by peasant rebellion.

Ming Dynasty -> the capital fell to peasant rebellion, but the rest of the empire lost to Manchurians.

Qing Dynasty -> weakened by peasant rebellion, but only lost power to its generals.

ROC -> driven to Taiwan and re-establish its government

Strictly speaking, only two.

Take the successful examples, and imitate, initiate, and overthrow. The Beijing Bandits have got to GO. Why should a billion and a half Human Beings be ENSLAVED?

It is not just advice for Taipei. Its what I'd preach in WASHINGTON.

Herald

 
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KlubMarcus       10/15/2007 8:36:14 PM
I would destroy every merchant ship, train, truck, and aircraft that was carrying anything to/from/within cummunist chinese territory. EVERY ONE OF THEM. They can't defend them all and they are SOFT targets.
 
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Old Codger       10/12/2010 12:43:41 AM
Without reading the previous posts........
 
 
My 'Taiwan Defence' shopping list would be comprised of 3 main things.
 
1.   Top shelf surveilance, that is the  BEST Satellite,  radars,  and other sensors I can get based on the Pescadores etc.  That should give me as much warning as possible of the build up at the 'invasion ports'.  The PRC cannot gather all the stuff they need without being noticed.
 
 
2.   As many (truck mounted) SAMs as I can get my hand on, the BEST I can buy or manufacture ASAP. That means AIM120 etc.  I suggest AT LEAST 2000 of them! Preferably 3000!
 
 
3.  As above for ASMs.  Latest 'Block'  'Harpoons' etc, also as many as possible, truck mounted. AT LEAST 1000 of them.
 
 
The USA has satellites over-flying the PRC coast about 8 times a day,  with real time pics,  together with the BEST radars, Taiwan should know every time a PRC general picks his nose. 
 
FORGET the fancy F-16s or even F-35s, Forget the fancy DDGs, forget the subs, they are only delivery platforms. Taiwan does NOT need them. They are only a truck to transport a missile from A to B.  The Taiwan Strait is about 120 kms wide, about the same as the trip to Normandy! Taiwan has a window of about 100 kms (6 to 10 hours sailing) in order to stop the invasion fleet in its tracks.
 
Taiwan has a LOUSY coast line for an invasion, most of it is mud flats or built up cities. The East coast is near vertical mountains almost to the beach.
 
Taiwan has a good road system all around the coast for the truck mounted missiles. They SHOULD have lots of man made caves to hide them in.
 
The certain parachute drop SHOULD be stopped before they get with 50 kms of the Taiwan coast.
 
JMNHO
 
 
Old Codger
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Photon       10/12/2010 3:44:10 AM
Increasing arms inventory is not going to improve Taiwan's predicament by a whole lot.  If Taiwan can procure an X amount, China can easily up the ante and do nX amount.  Unless ... Taiwan invests in nukes.  (I think nukes would be the surest means of deterrence.)
 
However, diplomatic breakthrough is going to be necessary, nukes or no nukes.  Not so much with China, but change bilateral system of alliance into something remotely resembling that of NATO.  (Currently, we have something like US-Japan, US-S. Korea; bilateral, not regional alliance per se!)  The first step will not involve Taiwan, but Japan and South Korea.  They will have to sort out their historical differences (Japan will have to make a plenty of concessions and the US should pressure Japan as well).  In case of Japan, if they want to hedge against China, they should woo S. Korea.  Once they are on the same page, then they can start building alliance.  Expand this system to incorporate Taiwan.  If this can be pulled off, then China cannot concentrate solely on South China Sea, but also must watch over East China Sea.  Now then, Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea can pool their resources more optimally against China.
 
Merely relying on American nukes is a poor strategy:  You do not control American nukes, nor do you get to vote American politicians.  What should you do if Americans do not offer something you seriously need?
 
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