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Subject: Pommy T45 Daring and Aussie AWD Hobart Classes - How do they compare?
DropBear    8/13/2007 1:45:50 AM
Looking at both on paper, which would seem to have the most capabilities in their specificly defined roles? Which class will have the greater firepower? What systems/weapons (if any) would you like to see either have that they don't have planned for now? Thoughts...
 
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stingray1003       8/13/2007 3:45:24 AM
Oh this is a tricky one because they are fairly competitive and details of may items are yet to be proven/finalised.
 
 I think T-45 is a fine ship. But I think I perfer the rebel Spain, Dutch, Germany Aegis based setup. SM-3 and SM-6 coming down to smaller nations will be very capable.
 
 The Australian AWD is still a mystery. Theres talk of millenium guns, essm, upgrades to the hull etc. It looks like Australia may get some sort of supersized F-100 evolved ship which it will share as the last builds to spains own fleet will be very simular in design (and more destroyer than frigate like).
 
  I would not be totally suprised if the AWD turns up, with two of the four very heavily packed out and the other two lighter. I expect Australia to go down the SM-3 and SM-6 road as its made noises as such. Tomahawk would be nice.
 
I think the UK has a eye set on Mk41 VLS launcher that is can install if they can hybridise the systems. If they do that, the will be able to carry a larger and more effective missiles. It will also turn the T-45 into a real wild card.
 
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gf0012-aust       8/13/2007 4:13:38 AM


 The Australian AWD is still a mystery. Theres talk of millenium guns, essm, upgrades to the hull etc. It looks like Australia may get some sort of supersized F-100 evolved ship which it will share as the last builds to spains own fleet will be very simular in design (and more destroyer than frigate like).



The reason why RAN wanted the baby burke was to allow for growth.  the F-100 is already limited in growth so don't expect any supersizing in the F-100 - it can't.
personally, i'd rather go for the Daring over an F-100
 
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Herald1234       8/13/2007 9:50:58 AM

Oh this is a tricky one because they are fairly competitive and details of may items are yet to be proven/finalised.

 

 I think T-45 is a fine ship. But I think I perfer the rebel Spain, Dutch, Germany Aegis based setup. SM-3 and SM-6 coming down to smaller nations will be very capable.

 

 The Australian AWD is still a mystery. Theres talk of millenium guns, essm, upgrades to the hull etc. It looks like Australia may get some sort of supersized F-100 evolved ship which it will share as the last builds to spains own fleet will be very simular in design (and more destroyer than frigate like).

 

  I would not be totally suprised if the AWD turns up, with two of the four very heavily packed out and the other two lighter. I expect Australia to go down the SM-3 and SM-6 road as its made noises as such. Tomahawk would be nice.

 

I think the UK has a eye set on Mk41 VLS launcher that is can install if they can hybridise the systems. If they do that, the will be able to carry a larger and more effective missiles. It will also turn the T-45 into a real wild card.


I don't know about that. Beedall, at Navy Matters, has nothing on the RN going American or developing any British VLS to replace the SYLVER or of any plans to replace the crappy ASTER. I suppose a Mark 41 could show up in Batch 2 Type 45s, but WHY? Logistically it only makes sense if you retrofit the Type 45 Batch 1s. I don't see that politically happening.
As for the AWDs, I take my own advice here and say I don't know enough about them to comment. The Spanish seem to have a good ship in the F-100s, but then once again I don't know how that translates into the Australian AWD program.
 
On the Type 45
 
I agree that the Daring is a very formidable vessel. It may be one of the finest classes of RN ship to ever slide out of an assembly shed. I'd call it a very close match to an Arleigh, the more I learn about it as far as sensor, electronics, and countermeasures [actually a better ship in many crucial EW areas, which is a surpise for the RN as they've been known to skimp on this in the past.]. I dislike its missile fit immensely for very good [to me at least] reasons. The British paid a lot of attention to the Falklands lesson on the countermeasures side. Too bad their political leaders wouldn't let them build an indigenous SAM. British SAMs have a mixed tracked record, the early ones they fielded were cowflop all over, but their last fielded systems have been VERY GOOD.I see no reason why they couldn't have slapped MBDA and THALES in the face with superior native built systems.
 
But that's the EU for you. Compromise on capability to get along politically. 
 
Herald    
 
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stingray1003       8/14/2007 7:43:43 AM
Well the Australian AWD will atleast have a larger hanger suitable for two. The question is what have they changed to get the increased helo space. Spain is looking at slightly improved capabilities for its later "frigates" which is already underway.
 
 With the AWD there is still too much unclear about the fitout.
 
 The T-45 is fairly clear. Its radar is its trick.
 
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neofire1000       8/16/2007 8:03:09 AM
Hey Dropbear, it's not a pommy destroyer, it's british. I'm Scottish and the ship is built round the corner from my home, in Scotland.
 
Where you from? As far as i know the US guy's hate being called yanks, lets extend the same accross the pond thank you.
 
Neo.
 
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flamingknives       8/16/2007 2:59:47 PM
And there was me thinking that 'Pom' was a catch-all term for all inhabitants of the UK from the antipodeans.
 
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neofire1000       8/17/2007 10:10:27 AM

And there was me thinking that 'Pom' was a catch-all term for all inhabitants of the UK from the antipodeans.


Scots don't like it. It's a complete pussy name, don't you think?
 
Thats all, just my own wee humble opinion, would rather be termed as uk, brits, scots etc.
 
Cheers.
 
Neo.
 
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flamingknives       8/17/2007 11:15:58 AM
Bah, the Scots don't like anything. Which explains the excellent whisky and is explained by a country where the thistles are waist-high and trousers are a recent invention.

As long as those who use it don't mind if I call them a bunch of convicts, I don't mind.
 
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DropBear    neofire   8/19/2007 12:24:10 AM
 
Hey Dropbear, it's not a pommy destroyer, it's british. I'm Scottish and the ship is built round the corner from my home, in Scotland.
 
My apologies to non-Poms. You are right. Only English should be called Poms.
 
Where you from? As far as i know the US guy's hate being called yanks, lets extend the same accross the pond thank you.
 
That is why we call them Yanks. We wouldn't call them that if they liked it.
 
Mate, it's a bloody big pond from Scotland to where I am, but no worries all the same.
 
 
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