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Subject: CVF order reported in the Sun newspaper
perfectgeneral    4/21/2007 11:34:03 AM
I'm guessing that this is a New Labour way to get around the convention that large procurement deals aren't announced close to election time.
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perfectgeneral    Link to article   4/21/2007 11:36:10 AM

I've also posted this in the UK section, if you would care to join us.

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flamingknives       4/21/2007 12:09:29 PM
Hold your horses there.

Not to cast aspersions on our glorious leader, but I don't think that it would be above him to slip that to the Sun, gain the publicity over the election period, then deny everything and go back to dishing the money over to toddler-baiting chav scum.

Let's wait until the MoD releases it properly, or it appears in a more reputable paper. Like Viz.
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Yimmy       4/21/2007 1:05:03 PM
Well, at least people will know where they will be serving if they join the RN.

What with it being a two ship navy and all. ;)

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french stratege       4/21/2007 1:13:55 PM
Yimmy, you seem to criticise carriers, but consider that only carriers and SSN have an effective value.
Think about two navies who have each 8 SSN.
One have 2 real carriers and 10 frigates and the other 17 frigates. (a carrier cost 3,5 first rank frigates).
Which fleet is able to project significant force on ground? the first one
Which fleet is able to protect itself agaisnt raid of ground aircraft with antiship missiles? the first one
Which fleet would win if the two fleet combat each other? the first one
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flamingknives       4/21/2007 1:27:46 PM
Silly French person ;)

He's complaining about the cut-backs in the Royal Navy enforced by the current government.
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Council34c    Mis-report or change of mind   4/21/2007 1:54:44 PM
Has the decision been made to include a catapult as well or is this just bad reporting "They will have a “ski-jump” and a “catapult” for launching planes."? If so then they may as well get rid of the ski jump altogether and hav two catapults as a restraing wires will be required any way and they will end up carrying catapult aircraft in any case. To do otherwise would only be the result of mindless bureaucracy and a complete inability to make a desision between to two resulting in an expensive bast@rd child of of both methods of launching and recoving aircraft. As a footnote F 35 Cs could be bought for the entire lighting II order along with all the associated benefits e.g. longer range, larger inner bays etc..
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Armchair Private       4/21/2007 8:24:41 PM

I'm guessing that this is a New Labour way to get around the convention that large procurement deals aren't announced close to election time.

Bet you're correct. It won't do them any harm in certain bits of scotland either....
On the catapult front in could easily be the Sun's "journalists" (oh how we laugh) getting confused by the whole "built for but not with" issue, alternatively they could have come up with a spit and sawdust work around to enable them to fly fixed wing AWAC type thingeys off of them.
Which would be nice.
Also is that a SAMPSON on the back?
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apoorexcuse    Funny scaling   4/24/2007 7:35:21 AM
The scale is off between the carriers, even with the perspective being very distorted on the big one, the helo is about the same size as the Island on the Invincible!
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flamingknives       4/24/2007 5:50:42 PM
Maybe the artist heard "twice as big" and made it twice as long and twice as tall.
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