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Subject: Pakistani Air Force has won every encounter against the Indian Air Force
HeavyMetal    3/13/2005 3:42:30 AM
Indian resources have naturally refuted and denied PAF air superiority over the FIVE times larger IAF in the 65 and 71 wars. Indian and Pakistani claims and counter claims are pointless on this subject as they tend to be biased and blurred with nationalism. The only way to assess this is through the neutral and qualified international opinion, which has now become aviation history. Check out autobiography of Gen. Chuck Yeagers (yes, the one who broke the sound barrier), who 'refereed' the 1971 war and flew up and down the region collecting wreckage of IAF aircraft shot down by the PAF. Here is what he says, "the Pakistanis scored a three-to-one kill ratio knocking out 102 Indian jets and losing 34 of their own. I am certain about the figures because I went out several times a day in a chopper and counted the wrecks below. I counted wrecks, documented them by serial numbers, identified the components such as engines and rocket pods" Now he is not exactly a Pakistani, is he? Check out the following world reputed aviation journals. USA - Aviation week & space technology - December 1968 issue. "For the PAF, the 1965 war was as climatic as the Israeli victory over the Arabs in 1967. A further similarity was that Indian air power had an approximately 5:1 numerical superiority at the start of the conflict. Unlike the Middle East conflict, the Pakistani air victory was achieved to a large degree by air-to-air combat rather than on ground. But it was as absolute as that attained by Israel. UK - Air International - November - 1991 " the average PAF pilot is almost certainly possessed of superior skills when compared with, say, an average American pilot. As to those who are rated above average, they compare favourably to the very best " Encyclopaedia of Aircraft printed in several countries by Orbis publications - Volume 5 "Pakistan's air force gained a remarkable victory over India in this brief 22 day war exploiting its opponents weaknesses in exemplary style - Deeply shaken by reverse, India began an extensive modernisation and training program, meanwhile covering its defeat with effective propaganda smoke screen. If you feel more at ease with German and French, then also checkout the followings Air Action (France) December 1988 and January 1989 Flugzeug (Germany) February (2) 1989 In addition to this, PAF put on show for inspection, its entire fleets after BOTH of the wars in presence of world dignitaries and aviation community. The five times bigger IAF should have annihilated the tiny PAF to prevent such displays!!!!!! Now these are FACTS - what rides on a wave of nationalism is just fiction.
 
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abhiinalwar    RE:Pakistani Air Force has won every encounter against the Indian Air Force   9/7/2005 2:18:42 AM
Please read this from non biased US and UN sources: link link link Please read and then you can easily judge who is winner or looser? regards Abhi
 
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Zarrar Jareeh    RE:Pakistani Air Force has won every encounter against the Indian Air Force   9/7/2005 4:15:02 PM
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baronaxe    facts   11/13/2008 7:00:13 AM
pakistan used aircraft and military hardware which were american in origin, and they lost. What do you expect the general to say? Have you ever heard paf r/t ....i have and believe me it is putrid ...even civil police has better r/t. Do you think gnats were better than the sabres and the star fighters in the 1965 indo pak? then what happened there? and then god came and trained paf and they became superior fighter pilots..... stop confusing people with names of generals ...every army has some, and statistics, logic is what is needed here. Pakistan lost the war to INDIA and surrendered acceding bangladesh and 90000 troops as POWs. Do you think they did that inspite of air superiority and control of air. Gallant they were, those who died and may God bless their soul, but the fact stays.
 
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Pakistan Zindabad    ndian's are really brave and thier millitary is the great military of the world just take a look how much they are actually great you must laugh on th   12/17/2008 8:10:56 AM
Dear Friend,
 
You are really a mad man or I think out of your senses that you beleive that 92000 soldiers would surrender to 1500 brave indian soliders, believe me one thing clearly you indians you are cowards really a bunch of cowards just look into your history you have killed the muslims in large number every year just because they are minorities and one of your hindu leader on media said that he love to kill muslims just alow me to kill them its really good in our religion( hinduisim) that what you called bravery I think you are scared from muslims and there power so want to finish them before they will come to you hard wow you are really brave people you burn trains (one of your bastard army men who dont like the freindship between indain and pakistan plan to burn the freindship train which he did and almost alive burnt the poeple really inocent people  you mad  guies really mad  you think this is bravery haan 
 
Wow wonderful wonderful wowwwwwwwwwwwww 
 
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HERALD1357    American viewpoint.   12/19/2008 12:00:42 AM
From sheer ignorance stupid events arise and prejudices spring.
 

Even if this case is only 25% true, you have my profoundest apologies, India.
 
It would also indicate BIAS on Chuck Yeager's part in any report he might file as a "neutral" observer tallying up Pakistani air combat victories.
 
Herald  .  
 
 
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IndoPak       12/24/2008 12:29:10 PM
http://www.jammu-kashmir.com/a... <--- article written BY your former Prime Minister, Benazir Bhutto.
 
"Such a dangerous conflict ended as it began: shrouded in confusion. While the Pakistani premier announced in Washington that he would ensure the withdrawal of Pakistanis from across the Line of Control, his official spokesman had another story to tell in the country's capital. But nothing could conceal the truth: Kargil had been Pakistan's biggest blunder. The country had lost its eastern wing in 1971 in the face of Indian aggression. That defeat could be passed onto the Indians. But the regime in Pakistan alone was responsible for the Kargil blunder."
 
That above is a fact written by Benazir Bhutto...i'm sure she isn't working secretly for India or anything :) Have fun before posting things from wikipedia or crap sources that are not relevant... pakistan. com might say pakistan's the greatest country in the world, won the Kargil War etc... NOT True. First give me a source that i can trust and i'd be happy to believe that India lost.
 
Before you say India's solders are weak, untrained, what ever else shit, look at the form of Pakistani military now and India. I'm sure India is NOT living by BEGGING the United States for money so they could support their troops; like pakistan. You might think Indian Army is weak, good for nothing... that's your opinion. But that's not what matters now... what matters is what the WORLD thinks... and that is: India has one of the best trained persons in the world, after the US and Russia. Our military is better trained than the German, French. <--- a statement always stated by UN, the United States, and France itself :) try link isn't full of  terrorists... or people with brains the size or mice; if we were, you wouldn't be here to argue with me... because your Paki Land would not be in Earth just a piece of dust.
 
What Bull Shit ass source says that India lost more aircraft or tanks, etc...? please recheck that it's not ilovepakistan .com or indiasucks .com and then post here.
 
You guys just talk BS without even looking back at your own history... what's the point on debating with us if YOUR OWM PRIME MINISTER SAID "WE ARE A BUNCH OF LOSERS (article by Benazir Bhutto)". That and, "Pakistan will not hesitate to use Nuclear Force" <--- really, do you think India, US, Russia, China, France, UK can't do that? Are you trying to scare us? Come try hitting us with your 1Meter range Nukes.
 
Check your sources... pakistan has Nukes :) but they're what a little baby plays with. Toys...
Jai Hind!
 
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IndoPak       12/24/2008 12:37:32 PM
Dear friends before you say Hindusim sucks or anything... if you're from pakistan, just letting you know... i'm Muslim also... but i'm Indian. Some post before you say "India sucks because it's full of HINDUS" you're wrong... India has as many muslims are Pakistan does. Again, please read and think before you say things Pakis...
Just a little fact check:

 

Indian Muslim Population: 151,402,065

Pakistani Muslim Population:  159,799,666

 

Infromation from Central Intelligence Agency (2008-07-24), the world fact book. link...
 

India is about to surpass the so Islamic Republic of Pakistan in Islamic Citizens. Now why are all the terrorists from Pakistan? With india having 9 million difference in population of muslims. There's no such thing as Jihad in our country (or is at it's bare minimum... i don't hear anything in the news, any source) if you're going to kill someone to spread the religion or w/e cause, you're a terrorist. And not ALL pakistanis are like that... i agree... your government is... don't deny that fact because they are putting terrorist leaders in *house arrest* and letting them free after the charges have been *dropped* (and pakistani government says after full investigation, the leaders of XX terrorist groups are found not guilty. That is because your government relies on terrorism to move forward.). Really, in India.... if you're a terrorist, you're killed when spotted.

 

Don't ever use religion as an excuse in this topic... cause it's not. I know what Jihad is. But i'm INDIAN and have some sense so I don't go on the streets with machine guns to murder everyone.

 

Proud to be Islamic Indian :) Hate to see our own kind's being ruined by menial bugs like Pakistan. Yes, i'm talking about both India's reputation and Islam's.



 
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