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Subject: Pakistani Air Force has won every encounter against the Indian Air Force
HeavyMetal    3/13/2005 3:42:30 AM
Indian resources have naturally refuted and denied PAF air superiority over the FIVE times larger IAF in the 65 and 71 wars. Indian and Pakistani claims and counter claims are pointless on this subject as they tend to be biased and blurred with nationalism. The only way to assess this is through the neutral and qualified international opinion, which has now become aviation history. Check out autobiography of Gen. Chuck Yeagers (yes, the one who broke the sound barrier), who 'refereed' the 1971 war and flew up and down the region collecting wreckage of IAF aircraft shot down by the PAF. Here is what he says, "the Pakistanis scored a three-to-one kill ratio knocking out 102 Indian jets and losing 34 of their own. I am certain about the figures because I went out several times a day in a chopper and counted the wrecks below. I counted wrecks, documented them by serial numbers, identified the components such as engines and rocket pods" Now he is not exactly a Pakistani, is he? Check out the following world reputed aviation journals. USA - Aviation week & space technology - December 1968 issue. "For the PAF, the 1965 war was as climatic as the Israeli victory over the Arabs in 1967. A further similarity was that Indian air power had an approximately 5:1 numerical superiority at the start of the conflict. Unlike the Middle East conflict, the Pakistani air victory was achieved to a large degree by air-to-air combat rather than on ground. But it was as absolute as that attained by Israel. UK - Air International - November - 1991 " the average PAF pilot is almost certainly possessed of superior skills when compared with, say, an average American pilot. As to those who are rated above average, they compare favourably to the very best " Encyclopaedia of Aircraft printed in several countries by Orbis publications - Volume 5 "Pakistan's air force gained a remarkable victory over India in this brief 22 day war exploiting its opponents weaknesses in exemplary style - Deeply shaken by reverse, India began an extensive modernisation and training program, meanwhile covering its defeat with effective propaganda smoke screen. If you feel more at ease with German and French, then also checkout the followings Air Action (France) December 1988 and January 1989 Flugzeug (Germany) February (2) 1989 In addition to this, PAF put on show for inspection, its entire fleets after BOTH of the wars in presence of world dignitaries and aviation community. The five times bigger IAF should have annihilated the tiny PAF to prevent such displays!!!!!! Now these are FACTS - what rides on a wave of nationalism is just fiction.
 
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coolboyjay    RE:Pakistani Air Force has won every encounter against the Indian Air Force   4/24/2005 11:32:44 PM
>>pakistan has won the 48, 65, half of 71, and 99 wars.<< Yeah, in '71 did India lose bangladesh? In '65 which army was in Lahore, Indian or Pakistani? In '99 who had to retreat? India or pak? How did u win? tell me how?
 
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Thermopylae    RE:Pakistani Air Force has won every encounter against the Indian Air Force   4/25/2005 2:07:45 AM
lets see, in 48, we manage to take half of kashmir from you in 65, who said that their army would be in lahore and then ended up losing more territory than they conquered? who lost the air war, and fought the army which was cut off? who had to go crying to clinton to help with kargil?
 
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coolboyjay    RE:Pakistani Air Force has won every encounter against the Indian Air Force   4/25/2005 6:18:43 AM
>>lets see, in 48, we manage to take half of kashmir from you<< Before u guys invaded, kashmir was indipendant. So we did not lose any land instead we managed to keep a bigger chunk of kashmir. >>who had to go crying to clinton to help with kargil?<< Did mushy go to clinton? Sure vajpayee did not. All clinton did was a favour to pak. He told india not escalate the war, just give the pakis a bloody nose. We did exactly that. Now look at it from another scenario. If india declared war on Pak in 1999 A 48 hour air raid on pak would result in most of ur air bases gone your chain of command absolutely shattered. ur prime minister would be hiding in a bunker. A barricade in the sea by our navy, would mean u guys run out of oil & other vital supplies in max 30 days. Out of despeartion pakistan fires a nuke. End of story. India gets all the permission it needs from the international community to raze pak to ground. Remember that India does not just have nukes, it has chemical and bio weapons too. I don't think the army would even come into picture in such a scenario. The job would be done much before that. Anyway, coming back to 1965: >>in 65, who said that their army would be in lahore and then ended up losing more territory than they conquered?<< Who lost what territory? "Overall, the war was militarily inconclusive; each side held prisoners and some territory belonging to the other. Losses were relatively heavy--on the Pakistani side, twenty aircraft, 200 tanks, and 3,800 troops. Pakistan's army had been able to withstand Indian pressure, but a continuation of the fighting would only have led to further losses and ultimate defeat for Pakistan." link Now see, I give u facts from neutral websites, why don't try visiting some of them.
 
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Thermopylae    RE:Pakistani Air Force has won every encounter against the Indian Air Force   4/25/2005 11:20:09 AM
hahaahaha, then why doesn't your great army invade us? please, if you can conquer us in 48 hours, then please do. if you can destroy our air force, land army and navy then please.
 
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PeregrinePike    RE:Pakistani Air Force has won every encounter against the Indian Air Force   4/25/2005 11:26:23 AM
"hahaahaha, then why doesn't your great army invade us? please, if you can conquer us in 48 hours, then please do. if you can destroy our air force, land army and navy then please." -- We have better things to do than rescue a drowning nation of Islamic terrorists... first rule of war: "Never interrupt an enemy when he is making a mistake" -- Napoleon Bonaparte. So if you want an Islamic Republic, we dont want to mess around with it ;-)
 
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coolboyjay    RE:Pakistani Air Force has won every encounter against the Indian Air Force   4/25/2005 11:37:58 PM
>>then why doesn't your great army invade us?<< Do you think that we want to invade you guys? See a country is invaded if there are any strategic or economic interests. I don't see a gain in either, by attacking pakistan. We don't need u. U are worthless. As far as the proxy war in kashmir is concerned. I guess we are pretty much happy with the status quo. We have built a fence on the LOC, we are putting up high tech monitoring devices. And the international community is not pushing us to vacate kashmir. A couple of decades more and every kashmiri would know the benefit of staying with india. There would be bread in their plates, not guns in their hands.
 
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coolboyjay    RE:Pakistani Air Force has won every encounter against the Indian Air Force   4/25/2005 11:39:09 PM
>>then why doesn't your great army invade us?<< Do you think that we want to invade you guys? See a country is invaded if there are any strategic or economic interests. I don't see a gain in either, by attacking pakistan. We don't need u. U are worthless. As far as the proxy war in kashmir is concerned. I guess we are pretty much happy with the status quo. We have built a fence on the LOC, we are putting up high tech monitoring devices. And the international community is not pushing us to vacate kashmir. A couple of decades more and every kashmiri would know the benefit of staying with india. There would be bread in their plates, not guns in their hands.
 
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Zarrar Jareeh    RE:Pakistani Air Force has won every encounter against the Indian Air Force   5/7/2005 11:14:55 AM
>> Do you think that we want to invade you guys? << Please think while you to the bed tryina sleep, that you never wanted the great PAKISTAN to exist on earth. The concept of "Akhand Bhaarat" will never be a reality. Remember that you guyz make movies where few hundred of Indian army destroys a brigade of Paki Army, but in reality.... you are coward to face the facts. NOW the Bottom line is.... PAKISTAN (the best of there is..the best of there was..the best of there ever will be) INDIA (the coward of there is..the fake of there was..the loser there ever gonna be) Zarrar Jareeh
 
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GautKaps    RE:Pakistani Air Force has won every encounter against the Indian Air Force   5/7/2005 7:46:44 PM
Well said Zarrar, your thorough and insightful analysis leaves me in awe.... Just one question-what is your source of facts?
 
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blitZ    RE:Pakistani Air Force has won every encounter against the Indian Air Force   5/7/2005 11:41:55 PM
all hail Pakistan !!! may it rule the earth for eternity !!!!
 
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