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Subject: Pakistani Air Force has won every encounter against the Indian Air Force
HeavyMetal    3/13/2005 3:42:30 AM
Indian resources have naturally refuted and denied PAF air superiority over the FIVE times larger IAF in the 65 and 71 wars. Indian and Pakistani claims and counter claims are pointless on this subject as they tend to be biased and blurred with nationalism. The only way to assess this is through the neutral and qualified international opinion, which has now become aviation history. Check out autobiography of Gen. Chuck Yeagers (yes, the one who broke the sound barrier), who 'refereed' the 1971 war and flew up and down the region collecting wreckage of IAF aircraft shot down by the PAF. Here is what he says, "the Pakistanis scored a three-to-one kill ratio knocking out 102 Indian jets and losing 34 of their own. I am certain about the figures because I went out several times a day in a chopper and counted the wrecks below. I counted wrecks, documented them by serial numbers, identified the components such as engines and rocket pods" Now he is not exactly a Pakistani, is he? Check out the following world reputed aviation journals. USA - Aviation week & space technology - December 1968 issue. "For the PAF, the 1965 war was as climatic as the Israeli victory over the Arabs in 1967. A further similarity was that Indian air power had an approximately 5:1 numerical superiority at the start of the conflict. Unlike the Middle East conflict, the Pakistani air victory was achieved to a large degree by air-to-air combat rather than on ground. But it was as absolute as that attained by Israel. UK - Air International - November - 1991 " the average PAF pilot is almost certainly possessed of superior skills when compared with, say, an average American pilot. As to those who are rated above average, they compare favourably to the very best " Encyclopaedia of Aircraft printed in several countries by Orbis publications - Volume 5 "Pakistan's air force gained a remarkable victory over India in this brief 22 day war exploiting its opponents weaknesses in exemplary style - Deeply shaken by reverse, India began an extensive modernisation and training program, meanwhile covering its defeat with effective propaganda smoke screen. If you feel more at ease with German and French, then also checkout the followings Air Action (France) December 1988 and January 1989 Flugzeug (Germany) February (2) 1989 In addition to this, PAF put on show for inspection, its entire fleets after BOTH of the wars in presence of world dignitaries and aviation community. The five times bigger IAF should have annihilated the tiny PAF to prevent such displays!!!!!! Now these are FACTS - what rides on a wave of nationalism is just fiction.
 
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strategist    RE:Pakistani Air Force has won every encounter against the Indian Air Force   3/16/2005 7:03:29 PM
Then why your general surrendered with 92000 troops?
 
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Gladiator    RE:Pakistani Air Force has won every encounter against the Indian Air Force   4/1/2005 12:22:04 PM
why don't you ask the British why they surrenedered in Singapore in 1942 with 30,000 troops. or the British forces in Tobruk in 1942 in which they surrendered to Rommel with 40,000 troops? or the American forces surrendering 10,000 troops in Bataan during the battle of the philippines? or the soviets surrendering 700,000 troops in the battle of kiev? or the germans surrendering 900,000 to the soviets during the battle of army group center in 1944 ? or the germans surrendering 300,000 during the battle of ruhr in 1945 ? please read more about logistics and other military tactics before you ask such ameturish questions
 
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GautKaps    RE:Pakistani Air Force has won every encounter against the Indian Air Force   4/1/2005 9:50:55 PM
OK...since you're the professional why dont you tell us why 93K soldiers of the might Pak army surrendered to the 1500 odd Indian coward army in bangaladesh...
 
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Gladiator    RE:Pakistani Air Force has won every encounter against the Indian Air Force   4/2/2005 2:53:14 AM
hahaha, please read a book and then answer me you obvioulsy sound like you came out of your mother's womb yesterday
 
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GautKaps    RE:Pakistani Air Force has won every encounter against the Indian Air Force   4/2/2005 9:47:58 PM
Gladiator wrote... "please read a book and then answer me" Look at my previous comment and you'll see written in PLAIN and SIMPLE english that I am acknowledging your expertise and ASKING you THE question.... Dont digress---What rational reason compelled 93K Paki brave soldiers to surrender to 1500 coward Indian soldiers....... Answer the Question or scoot...
 
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coolboyjay    RE:Gaukaps   4/2/2005 10:34:47 PM
>>Dont digress---What rational reason compelled 93K Paki brave soldiers to surrender to 1500 coward Indian soldiers....... Answer the Question or scoot... << HE SCOOOTED!! end of story
 
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Gladiator    RE:Gaukaps   4/4/2005 10:35:10 AM
yes, keep relishing at that victory. when pakistani nukes will have destroyed all of india, please remember your great victory in 1971. in which india defeated an enemy 100 times as strong as india.
 
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prez-Gen    RE:gladiator   4/23/2005 1:59:48 AM
'When paki nukes destroy all of india.' We are not purchasing Patriot missile systems to play around with them but infact to prevent that kind of a thing from happening. Also we have a unified nuke command in india which has only one response to that kind of a situation-- Total Anhialation. So do remember this that the next war will still be conventional ie until pak feels comfy with the situation- when they start losing the leadership will run into washington's laps, ala Kargil-99
 
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chou    RE:Pakistani Air Force has won every encounter against the Indian Air Force   4/24/2005 1:32:07 AM
good he scooted. because the more he opened his yap, the more stupid he sounded. The pakis have lost all the wars till now. 1947, 1965, 1971 and Kargil. And mind you, all of them started by them.Some guys never learn a lesson.
 
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Thermopylae    RE:Pakistani Air Force has won every encounter against the Indian Air Force   4/24/2005 1:46:23 PM
pakistan has won the 48, 65, half of 71, and 99 wars. i don't need to tell you indians another history lesson,.
 
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