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Subject: India's Arjun Tank Disaster
HeavyMetal    2/6/2005 1:56:35 AM
Pakistan?s tank production effort has been crowned with unprecedented success. The manufacture of Al-Khalid tank shows Pakistan?s technical skills, her dedication and determination in trying to make the country self-sufficient in major armaments. This will eventually obviate the requirements of costly imports, which are often influenced by political and regional considerations. Manufacturing a tank is a highly complicated venture particularly when it is accomplished on a shoe-string budget and in a remarkably short period of time. Pakistan?s effort is particularly laudable when we compare it with the major project launched by India to produce her main battle tank ?Arjun?, which is still not in production after 16 years of ?tinkering? and an expenditure of over $500 million. On the other hand Pakistan?s Al-Khalid tank is now in serial production, the first batch has already been handed over to the Army and is in squadron service.

India has a large manufacturing base with 39 ordnance factories employing over 550,000 workers and producing a variety of military equipment, arms and ammunition for the three services. Some of these factories she inherited at the time of independence in 1947 and others she built later with much foreign assistance from the former Soviet Union and the western democracies. India?s Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO) is large as well including ground, air and sea components with a manpower strength of around 40,000 scientists and unlimited financial backing. Over and above these India has eight defence PSUs (public sector units). All these account for around Rs 15,000 crore of the annual defence consumption

According to the Journal of Military Ordnance: ?After the 1971 war with Pakistan, senior Indian Officers decided that the Army needed more powerful and reliable tanks, ones that were especially suited to the harsh desert conditions on the northwestern frontier that borders on Pakistan. These conclusions led to the initiation of the MBT-80 (later Arjun) tank project in 1974.? The Army?s requirement or what is known in military jargon as the GSQR (General Staff Qualitative Requirement) in other words the official statement of the users requirement called for the development of a main battle tank weighing 52 tons or less. The Army wanted a tank capable of operating in the extremely hot, dry and sandy conditions found in Rajasthan along the Pakistan border. It wanted a more powerful 120-mm rifled main gun and also state-of-the art, meaning enhanced protection and mobility.

The first prototype of the MBT-80 tank was to be produced by 1983. This was to be followed by the production of 12 more prototypes at the rate of one tank per month. The plan was to enter serial production of the new tank by 1984. It seems the user requirements kept being modified and the Army?s Directorate General for Combat Vehicles did not even ?freeze? the design until 1984. In the same year the first prototype called the ?Chetek? was produced and displayed on India?s Republic Day. The following year in 1985 another prototype was produced and officially named ?Arjun?. Further production slowed down forcing a major review of the entire tank programme in 1987. A year later in 1988 the first technical trials were carried out. The results were very disappointing, prompting the Army Chief to recommend the cancellation of the entire programme in 1991. The programme, however, continued with the production of more prototypes for field trials. Six were produced in 1993 and another nine in 1994.

The field trials uncovered numerous design flaws, which could only be rectified by several major design changes. After making modifications to rectify the deficiencies uncovered during field trials, the much revised design profile was ?frozen? for a second time in 1996. The new design still did not meet the Army?s ?diluted? requirements. Despite the Army?s reluctance the Ministry of Defence allowed limited pre-series production of 14 tanks to begin with the hope of presenting the Army with a ?fait accompli? and obtaining its grudging acceptance of the design. 15 pre-series production models were handed over to the Army in April 1997, almost a year behind schedule. These tanks were also tested in extensive field trials, again with unsatisfactory results.

The results of the 1997 field trials were so bad that they prompted India?s Comptroller and Auditor General to issue a scathing report in mid-1998 about the serious design flaws in the tank and to complain about a 20-fold increase in development costs. This did not deter the Ministry of Defence from placing an order for another 124 Arjun tanks in 1999. Politics and other considerations, it seems, were taking precedence over the Army?s operational requirements. This was being done while India was negotiating for the purchase of Russian T-90S tanks, which were later to be produced under licence in India. Some confusion was consequently apparent at the government decision making level in India.

The Indian Combat Vehicles Research and Development Establishment, which is the overall contractor of the Tank project has built 32 Arjun tanks so far. Of these, 12 are prototypes, 15 pre-series production tanks, two are torsion bar tanks, one test vehicle, one recovery vehicle and one Mark II model. Each vehicle differs from the others in some way. The 15 pre-series tank Models are the ones designed for series production as the Arjun Mark I tanks. The original requirement of the Army demanded a tank designed to provide state-of-the art and updated mobility, protection and firepower. The designers claimed that the Arjun Mark was at par with the most modern American Abrams MIAI tank. But the final product fell far short of the tall claims to the detriment of the Army?s operational capabilities.

The weight of the Arjun Mark I tank has reached 58.5 tons. It was 6.5 tons above the maximum weight contained in General Staff Qualitative Requirements and as much as 18.5 tons over the Army?s desired requirement. Final weight of the tank could exceed 60 tons, when explosive reactive armour is added, as is expected. Excessive weight is one of the drawbacks of the Arjun tank. It will be too heavy to cross many of Inida?s bridges and be able to operate only on national highways. It cannot be lifted by standard Army tank transporters now in use and is also incompatible with present bridge-laying equipment. The Arjun tank is also too wide to use the existing transporters used by the T-72MI tanks. The Indian Army had, therefore, to invest $3.9 million to develop three rail cars to carry the new tank. The railways has classified the new tank as an ?over-dimensional consignment? requiring an increase of 150 per cent over normal transportation rates.

After major problems with the Indian engine the Arjun tank is now equipped with an imported German 1,400 HP diesel engine. This gives the tank a maximum speed of 70 km per hour on highways and 40 km per hour off-road. It has a cruising range of 200 to 250 km on its 1,610 litres of fuel. Pakistan?s Al-Khalid tank on the other hand has a cruising range of 400 km. The German MTU 838 engine and the transmission have given several problems. To start with the new engine and its associated transmission were too large for the original engine compartment which had to be modified. Field trials demonstrated that the engine lost 20 to 25 per cent of its power while operating in desert temperatures of 45 to 50 degrees Celsius. This was well above the 10 per cent that the Army expected as normal.

A report by India?s Comptroller and Auditor General noted six premature transmission failures and frequent overheating of transmission fluid during trials in the summer of 1997 because the imported transmission assembly had been overloaded. The excessive loss of engine power was attributed mainly to the cooling unit, which failed to function adequately during prolonged use. As reported by some Army officers the cooling unit experienced sharply rising temperatures during full throttle runs and made excessive demands on the electric system because there was no auxiliary power unit to handle peak demand. A worse problem was the sand blasting effect in the desert, which caused leakage of the coolant and damaged the cooling fan blades. Field trials showed that life of cooling fan blades was only 600 km instead of the declared 4,000 km. Designers tried to rectify the flaws by installing an improved cooling unit on the rear deck. The unit is so bulky that the main gun can no longer fire at zero degrees elevation over the rear pack.

The Arjun tank uses a hydro-pneumatic suspension system, which has been giving problems. This system required recharging every 300 km in desert and semi-desert conditions. On soft ground it required recharging every 250 km. In the desert heat and dust sealing of fluids and gas malfunctioned causing leakage and requiring more frequent maintenance. Inherent design flaws in the hydro-pneumatic suspension were aggravated by the increase in the tank?s weight, which was above the maximum specified by the Army. Owing to these problems two prototype tanks were equipped with torsion bars as an alternative.

There are problems with the tank?s bogie wheels as well. These have to be changed every 600 to 1,000 km. Failure rate of the bogie wheels is due to poor quality material, early disintegration of rubber parts and poor bonding of rubber with steel. Aside from the technical failures the induction of the tank in the Army would be costly. India?s Comptroller and Auditor General reported in 1998 that any regiment equipped with 45 Arjun tanks would require 16 additional three-ton lorries and 45 extra men to maintain operational mobility. The fire control system of the tank has performed poorly in field trials. Army officers are concerned that the tank?s armour cannot defeat Pakistan?s Baktar Shikan ATGM (anti-tank guided missile), therefore, explosive reactive armour may have to be added, thereby, increasing the weight still further.

In view of the constant problems with the manufacture of the Arjun tank the US journal of Military Ordnance writers: ?It is tempting to describe the Arjun as a failure because of the numerous problems it has experienced and its many technological shortfalls. This judgement especially tempting since Pakistan?s Al Khalid tank entered series production last year.? The journal goes on to say, that such an assessment is too harsh and fails to appreciate the challenges faced by Indian designers. Indian experts are satisfied with the experience gained and the ?understanding that results from 23 years of tinkering.?

The Hindustan Times of India in its issue of August 13, 1999 comments on the success of Pakistan?s Al Khalid tank and compares it with the Indian Arjun tank which at 50 degrees Celsius can ?travel only at a snail?s pace and is a sitting duck.? The paper goes on to describe the problems with the engine that has ?forced other compromises that gravely impair the Arjun?s offensive capability and increases its vulnerability. Not surprisingly, the Indian army has flatly refused to induct the Arjun into the armoured corps in more than token numbers and is insisting on the purchase of the T-90.? The paper sums up by saying: ?After 16 years of ?research? the DRDO (defence research and development organization) has produced a lemon.?

Writing in the Frontline, Chennai on March 16, 2001, John Cherian is of the opinion that it is no secret that the Indian Army?s top brass is not very enthused with the capabilities of the Arjun tank. There have been complaints about its engine and fire control systems, which adversely affect its operational mobility. The public accounts committee (PAC) had reported that the project ?fell short of even bottom line parameters? and its schedule for commercial production had overshot the deadline by more than 16 years. With the induction of the T-90s from Russia the scaling down of the Arjun project seems to have begun in right earnest, concludes John Cherian.

This short review of tank production in India is an effort to explain the difficulties faced by developing countries in the manufacture of heavy armaments. Pakistan has to a great extent overcome these problems in key areas of defence production, which may not have been appreciated by the people. Pakistan should be proud of its achievements in trying to reach a stage of self-sufficiency in armaments production so vital for the defence of the country.
 
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entre nous    to defender   3/24/2007 12:22:29 AM
looks like you learnt you english and got your education in pak. must have been a pleasant change from the carwash you work in. PUTA!!
 
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entre nous    to HEAVYMEATAL   3/24/2007 12:39:26 AM
dude, tell me where you live in the U.S.A. i'll make sure  you get all the respect you deserve. BTW  indians are the richest and the most influential minority among recent immigrants in the u.s. pakis on the other hand are largely illegal and work in pathetic conditions. and paki stores always say pak and indian store or grocery, but indian stores do not. same is the case in britian. actually jane goody referred to the indian woman as "paki". "paki" has now become a degradatory term.lol! and you are telling indians have no respect. indians are leaders in every field. to name a few..dr. sanjay gupta on cnn, aneesh raman on cnn, deepak chopra the new age guru, ash has been on oprah and david letterman, bobby jindal the senator from lousiana, and the list goes on.....name a few pakis...DO NOT INCLUDE THE ILLEGAL PAKI STORE ATTENDANTS AT 7-ELEVEN. after 9/11 americans defecated in mosques in florida, ohio and new york. thats the respect america has for you. your future is in OUR hands.
 
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MoJoe       5/23/2007 8:09:11 PM
I am not an Indian or Pakistani. I am Latin (South American)
You mean Latino, Latin is a language

 ..And with my travel experience, I can comfortably say Pakistan is much cleaner,
Source? (ie: A list of cleanliest nations)

(Better) Developed - over all better country,
Are you saying better developed?  India's GDP per Capita is ranked: 118th compared to Pakistan's 136ths India has a Economic growth rate of 9.0% whereas pakistan is 6.6% India's exports are $112 billion compared to Pakistans $17.56 billion [1]
Not to mention India has actually tried to develop their own military equipment from scratch instead of Pakistan only upgrading Chinese equipment.

Friendly and civilized people compare to India, most south American, and some European and Middle eastern countries. Not to mentioned, I have also stayed south Asian and middle eastern countries.
You're full of it,
Pakistan has a good majority of radical Islamics to the north alongside nationalists and conservative Muslims. Look at what they do to Christians and Hindus in Pakistan compared to India's treatment of Christians, Muslims, and Sikhs? Granted their have been a major instance of Sikh-Hindu violence, but that has been resolved.
 
It would be wrong to compare India and Pakistan. India’s population is over 1.2 billion compare to Pakistan 147 million. India is atleast six times bigger then Pakistan.
Compare per Capita or PP

When India and Israel tested they’re nuclear devices everyone stays quiet
USA and Canada were outraged
but France and the Soviet Union supported India's nuclear tests [2]


As soon as Pakistan tested they’re nuclear test for defense purpose the whole west got on to Pakistan case and impose sanctions.
Because Pakistan couldn't be trusted as it was the aggressor in three of the four wars between India.
It still seems a legitamit claim as they gave Nuclear secrets to North Korea

Recently, when both countries were on brink of war and India is the one who wanted to start that war in 2002 again the west was on Pakistan case.
India wanted to start the war? No,  more like Pakistan or Pakistan/Islamic nationalists in the ISI
Not to mention India sent troops to the LOC only after Pakistan put their troops in alert after Ashraf's speech[3]

India and Pakistan have fought three wars and Pakistan still stand. India got all the help from west especially from USSR and USA and where Pakistan has to fight with weapons that weren’t as advanced.
India was non-aligned at first, although a good amount supported the Soviets, Pakistan asked for support from the US. The US agreed and helped support Pakistan - THEN and ONLY THEN did India officially side and support the Soviet Union.
Remember the Patton Tanks? [4]

And even today the west is offering all kind of help to India either is IT technology, space technology or Nuclear technology on the other hand Pakistan is helping west and bending back ward and they’re not getting much help from the west specially from USA.  What Pakistan is getting compare to India it peanuts.
Because compared to India, Pakistan is sending peanuts (measuring in gross)

Democracy means freedom of speech and freedom for people which I did not see in India.
How? India has allowed Indian film-makers to publish films that were disputed
and compared to the Pre-Invasion Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia, India allows more feminine depiction of women
while allowing them and giving them more rights than that of certain Islamic states - including Pakistan

In India, if you are rich and powerful you are above the law and you can do what ever you want
Compare us to Mexico, certain Mid-East and Eastern European countries and say that again.

There is a law people follow

Islamic Law - which is disputed and can be interpreted in conflicting liberal and conservative manners

and there is a free media,
How does India NOT have free media?

Comparing educational and political background from both countries leaders Pakistan wins it again.

Are you serious?
K.A. Paul?
Satveer Chaudhary?
Bobby Jindal?
Rachel Paulose?
Joy Cherian?
Dalip Singh Saund?
Sanjay Gupta?


I can go on and write a book but I better stop now and I hope it helped some of you commentator.
You couldn't write a book because
A) You cannot spell
B) You don't have good or even adequate grammar
C) You do not provide sources
D) You have an unjustified sense of bias


[1] National Geographic: World Atlas  (NGP)
[2] link - Nuclear History of India
[3] link - Who will strike first?
[4] link - History of Indo-Soviet Military Relations

 
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hannibal202       8/22/2007 12:06:47 PM
Err Mr Heavy Metal u seem to take into account only tank production as a criteria for defence self sufficiency. What abt the other fields like naval production. I serious have not seen any development on that front in the pakistan armed forces?? And Mr The Difender please go through a proper history book before posting any comment with respect to Indo-Pak wars.
 
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Tejas    Al-Khalid Tank   12/17/2007 9:53:44 PM
 Hmm a lot of comments on failure of arjun tank and Mr heavymetal boasts that pakistan has manufactured the al-khalid tank on their own...he he can't even laugh properly seems to be a poor joke...for your kind information mr heavymetal pakistan  manufactured the tank using china's help......rings some bells or i guess you need to do some research....on al-khalid...or perhaps i should post some comments and references for your knowledge incremement.....anyway let's go into details then...."Based on its Chinese and Soviet design ancestry, the MBT2000/Al-Khalid is considerably smaller and lighter than most western main battle tanks".

In the 1970s, the leadership of China's People's Liberation Army was concerned about the Soviet threat, and requested an improved main battle tank (MBT) to replace the Type 59. The existing Chinese tanks were direct descendants of the Soviet T-54A, and had become outmatched by more advanced Soviet models like the T-62 and T-64. Norinco and the Inner Mongolia First Machine Group Corporation were tasked to develop a series of new tanks.

After examining samples of T-72 tanks delivered by Iran in the late 1980s (captured from Iraq), the Chinese military realized that contemporary Chinese tanks were still vulnerable. Design features of the T-72 and some western tanks were used to develop a second generation of Chinese tanks, eventually incorporating a redesigned hull and suspension, a new welded turret, and 125-mm autoloaded tank gun. The Type 80 and Type 85 tanks led to the Type 90. The Type 90 was rejected for Chinese service, in favour of other designs, but it influenced further development which would lead to China's third-generation Type 98 and Type 99 tanks.

The Type 90 is an evolutionary design: the Type 90-II version shares 10% of its components with the Type 59, 15% with Type 69, 20% with Type 85/88C, and is built with 55% new components. This model was put up for sale on the international market.

A development deal was signed with Pakistan in January 1990. Initial Chinese-built prototypes were tested in Pakistan in August 1991. Pakistan spent more than USD $20 million over the next ten years on the co-development of a model suitable for their needs, and on creating a capability to manufacture it locally, under the direction of Brigadier (now Major General) Mohammad Asaad. The design team modified the tank to accept a foreign-built power pack. A number of different prototypes were evaluated.

An early version was armed with the Chinese gun and fire-control system, but had German-designed MTU-396 diesel engine which was built under licence in China. Another version was equipped with a more advanced western digital fire-control system, and powered by a Perkins 1,200-hp Condor diesel engine (as in the British Challenger) and ESM-500 automatic transmission (as in the French Leclerc). This version was considered too expensive and under-performing in the extreme heat of southern Pakistan. Finally, a version was tested with the Ukrainian 6TD-2 1,200-hp diesel engine (Ukraine also supplied Pakistan with T-80UD tanks, powered by a similar compact diesel engine). This configuration was chosen for the production version of the tank and came to be known as Al-Khalid.

Yet another version—employing more western technology—had been envisaged as an export product for Pakistan. The prototype had a 1,200-hp German MTU-871/TCM AVDS-1790 diesel engine and an LSG-3000 transmission. But this concept was abandoned due to the arms embargo imposed on Pakistan after the 1998 Pakistani nuclear tests.

The final tank design resulting from a decade of co-operative development was designated Type 90-IIM. Chinese company Norinco showed the new Type 90-IIM during the March 2001 Abu Dhabi Defense Expo, under the export name MBT 2000.

The version powered by the Ukrainian power plant, intended for domestic production in Pakistan, was named Al-Khalid.

The technology is not pakistani....based on russian and chinese design.....engine  sourced from ukrain........i guess that satisfies some of your ego.....compared to that india...has manufactured the tank which is called arjun on its own......rings some bells or perhaps you will be spending some more time researching on the internet to find out the facts....so next time make sure you do your homework properly before commenting on anything.....
 
let's give you some details about the arjun tank....or perhaps you will research a little more...naah i will give you the details as well....cause i have taken the pain to tell you about al-khalid let's tell you something  about arjun as well...i guess that will be a little courteous after rubbing it in....
 
arjun tank....
Arjun is a main battle tank developed by DRDO (Defence Research and Development) for the Indian Army. It is named for Arjuna, one of the heroes of the Indian epic 'The Mahabharata'.

Originally intended to be a 40-ton MBT armed with a 105 mm gun, the Arjun?s project requirements were upgraded to 58.5 tons with a 120 mm gun. The project has had a protracted developmental time, thanks to the design needing to be adapted for the harsh operational conditions in India, the ever-changing requirements from the Army and the lack of a prior heavy tank building industry in India.

In the process of developing the Arjun, India established the infrastructure to develop and manufacture modern armour. The Heavy Vehicles Factory located in Avadi, India is the facility that has been producing prototypes and pre-production models. The HVF has produced T-72s and Vickers medium tanks in the past, and the Arjun is seen as a significant challenge. The Indian Army has 124 Arjuns on order.

The first 15 tanks of the 124 have already been activated. Of the remaining 109 tanks, the Indian Army is currently putting the first five tanks from the production lines at Avadi, through accelerated build quality and reliability trials. The intent is to verify whether the Arjun production has stabilized, with the requisite quality and performance requirements. Upon successful completion, the remaining 104 tanks will be manufactured in batches. The first 14 of these will be handed over to the Indian Army by September 2007. The planned production rate is currently pegged at thirty tanks per year, with the Army requesting fifty per year as the ideal.

Arjun is the most tested battle tank in the world, as it had clocked 70,000 km, in addition to about 10,000 trial firings. Major General H.M. Singh, Additional Director in charge of trial and evaluation, said latest user field trial report had certified that the accuracy and consistency of the weapon system was proved beyond doubt.[2]

The Indian Army tested the Arjun MBT in Exercise Ashwamedh and was satisfied with its performance. The defence minister Shri A.K Antony was shown the modification made to the tank according to the satisfaction of the Indian Army. The demonstration included medium fording by Arjun MBT. The final trial will be held in September 2007 and orders for more tanks will be placed after the final trial.[3]

DRDO is gearing up for the development of futuristic Arjun Mark-2 Tanks (Arjun Mk.2).[4] The Arjun Mk.2 will have an advanced Battle Field Management System (BFMS), auto tracking and targeting capabilities and also an active protection system.[5]
 
Finally some facts and figures which i have given you to work on...by the way arjun is far more superior then al-khalid...check for yourself i am sure you would not believe the stats given here...research and bring some conclusive evidence now...by the way...i am  sure you might be right about arjun that it was marred by failures...however al-khalid....i think pakistani's need everything served on the plate....isn't it....everything ready for them to go....he he...check out....the facts mate...if you need more information get back.....
 
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Tejas       12/17/2007 10:56:05 PM

India is now doing right job?Buy weapons rather then indigenous flop ;-)

Oh....good on you mate...you have really discovered what india is doing and what its not....let's talk something now....come up with facts rather than coming up with short snippets of crap....here are some facts want to face them read carefully if you can....some facts and figures for you as well after mr heavymetal has been reduced to ashes.....heavymetal is a losser and you are his brother in arms...which means...i guess you can understand he he..
Some missiles which have been developed with assistance from chinese.....
Other missiles currently in the service of Pakistan are Hatf-I (BRBM), Abdali-I (BRBM), Ghaznavi (SRBM), Ghauri-II (MRBM), Ghauri-III (IRBM) (under development), Shaheen-I (MRBM), Shaheen-II (IRBM), Babur (cruise missile) and Ra'ad (cruise missile).
Want to see the list of missiles developed by India on its own......let's see.....cause i am damn sure you will be surprised....
Prithvi 1,2,3 (The Prithvi was India's first indigenously developed ballistic missile)
Agni 1,2,3 ( is an IRBM developed under the IGMDP by India)
Trishul (Trishul (Sanskrit for trident) is the name of a short range surface-to-air missile developed by India as a part of the Integrated Guided Missile Development Program)
Nag-Nag (Sanskrit for "cobra") is India's third generation "Fire-and-forget" anti-tank missile. It is an all weather, top attack missile with a range of 4 to 7 km.)
Akash (Akash (in Sanskrit meaning Sky) is a medium range surface-to-air missile developed as part of India's Integrated Guided Missile Development Program to achieve self-sufficiency in the area of surface-to-air missiles)
Astra-The Astra missile (from the Sanskrit Astrâ, meaning "Weapon") is an air-to-air (AA), beyond visual range (BVR) missile under development by India under its Integrated Guided Missile Development Program.)
Surya-Surya (meaning The Sun in Sanskrit and Many Indian Languages) is the codename for the first Intercontinental Ballistic Missile that India is reported to be developing)
Sagarika (Prithvi III class (codenamed Sagarika meaning Oceanic)[11] is a two-stage surface-to-surface missile in the developmental stages)

The expertise and technology developed through the IGMDP is also used in the new Anti ballistic missile called the Exoatmospheric interceptor system which successfully intercepted a Prithvi-II ballistic missile.[27] India became the fourth nation in the world to acquire such a capability and the third nation to develop it through indigenous effort.[28] Apart from that, India is said to be in the intermediate stages of developing a new cruise missile, Nirbhay (dauntless in English). The subsonic Nirbhay is said to be 6 m in length with a 520 mm diameter, weigh 1,000 kg and have a 1,000 km range with a speed of 0.7 mach. The technology demonstrator flight is planned for end-2009.[29]

For your kind information india has developed its own missile defense shield which pakistan will copy or perhaps acquire from some country....how many aircraft has pakistan developed leave aside flying....india has developed marut which was not sucessfull.....tejas....already testing.....and productions models are being tested...dhruv....indian helicopter......already in service with the three services and some government departments...interest shown by israle chilli and malaysia.....UAV's being manufactured in india being exported to Israel.......still counting or let's see some more facts...india manufactures its own ships...we have numerous ships that we are building on our own....we accept that we have outsourced an aircraft carrier which also is being developed...common can pakistan develop so many things at the same time..naah musharraf will not be able to afford to research on this otherwise how will pakistani janta feed....you know its kinda tough with small budgets...he he...some someone is reading the whole material....research mate.....cheers i guess i have given you some homework to do...
 
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knightrider       8/9/2008 2:17:34 AM
I don't yet know but I think These pakistani stupids do not know anything about the military hardware & They all know about is fanaticism.
Al khalid is actually a variant of the standard t54 & all the parts right from the turret to gun & even the wheels have been sourced & supplied by the Chinese factories ijn North Korea Like all those outdated shaheeen & hatf & ghouri(or Ghoddi) Missiles.
The Pakistani civilians & their Army knows only one thing to sing those false melodies of false heroism, where They hAve been fucked rough.
 
Its actually like this
A WOMAN WHO IS A SLUT & LIKES TO FUCK, BUT ACTUALLY LOVES TALKING ROT , SO TO INVITE A THOROUGH RAPE OF ALL HER HOLES. THIS IS AS FAR AS THE PAKISTANI MENTALITY GOES.
 
 
As far as the Arjun Tank goes, This has been widely acclaimed to be superior to t-90s in many aspects of thermal Imaging, suspension as of the French laqreq 7 weight ratio of Challanger.
With the 120 mm rifle bore it definitely a force to reckon with.
 
 
 

 
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knightrider       8/9/2008 3:25:28 AM

I don't yet know but I think These pakistani stupids do not know anything about the military hardware & They all know about is fanaticism.

Al khalid is actually a variant of the standard t54 & all the parts right from the turret to gun & even the wheels have been sourced & supplied by the Chinese factories ijn North Korea Like all those outdated shaheeen & hatf & ghouri(or Ghoddi) Missiles.

The Pakistani civilians & their Army knows only one thing to sing those false melodies of false heroism, where They hAve been fucked rough.


 

Its actually like this




A WOMAN WHO IS A SLUT & LIKES TO FUCK, BUT ACTUALLY LOVES TALKING ROT , SO TO INVITE A THOROUGH RAPE OF ALL HER HOLES. THIS IS AS FAR AS THE PAKISTANI MENTALITY GOES.



 


 

As far as the Arjun Tank goes, This has been widely acclaimed to be superior to t-90s in many aspects of thermal Imaging, suspension as of the French laqreq 7 weight ratio of Challanger.

With the 120 mm rifle bore it definitely a force to reckon with.
 
It took 20years to build a chieftain on board & another 5 years to develop it. but it it still took a couple of years to build an Al khalid,
BECAUSE ALL THE ASSEMPBLY INSTRUCTION MANUALS WERE IN KOREAN LANGUAGE, THEN WHAT HAPPENED, SOME KOREANS WERE CALLED IN TO DECIPHER THEM, THEY CAME & DIDN'T KNOW ENGLISH ONLY FOREIGN LANGUAGE THEY KNEW WAS CHINESE, SO THEY TRANSLATED IT INTO CHINESE. NOW THE THING GOES 
PAKIS ARE NOWHERE GOOD IN ANY OTHER FORWIGN LANGUAGE EXCEPT ARABIC SO THE CHINESE CAME IN TO TRANLATE THAT MANUAL THINGY INTO THE BROKEN ENGLISH.
THEN THE TALIBANIS CONVERTED THE BROKEN ENGLISH INTO THE ARABIC. SO IT TOOK ALMOST ONE YEAR.
NOW WHAT'S THE DELAY MATE?
OH UH THE WHEELS AFT WERE ACTUALLY PUT IN THE FRONT
& THE GUN ON THE ASS OF THE BOGIE OF THE TANK.
OOOOPS LETS CALL THE CHINESE BACK 
hMMMMMM
OSAMA CAME IN & SAID THAT WOULD BE UNISLAMIC, SO LETS TRY THAT AGAIN.
THIS TIME Musharraff intervened & said No let the Chinese people do the job, Because he knows the Capability of His
beard weilding  shayinsdan Or peekdaan(*or whatever daan or paan hufffffff).
So finAlly the Tank is assembled with the duoplicated parts of the Vintage russian Is Js IInd ww beauty into the Allllll Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaleeeeeed. yeahhhhh thats something Musharraf said admiring the beauty of the Tank.
the front looks like the Beetle car the Rear looks like an ass.
& hey the Side steps look like the bathroom stands. & yup best part of the tank( so called ) is its gun, which shakes voilently at the slight breeze
MUSHARRAF GRUNTS YAAAAAAAAHOOOOOOO THIS LOOKS POWERFUL  a beast  7 lion with a Meow.
 
 
 
The the Osama Comes forward & Mounts his torchlight on the tank Chasis Front.
now he says
 
Afterall its built in Pakistan 



 

 

 






 
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knightrider       8/9/2008 4:33:35 AM

I don't yet know but I think These pakistani stupids do not know anything about the military hardware & They all know about is fanaticism.

Al khalid is actually a variant of the standard t54 & all the parts right from the turret to gun & even the wheels have been sourced & supplied by the Chinese factories ijn North Korea Like all those outdated shaheeen & hatf & ghouri(or Ghoddi) Missiles.

The Pakistani civilians & their Army knows only one thing to sing those false melodies of false heroism, where They hAve been fucked rough.


 

Its actually like this




A WOMAN WHO IS A SLUT & LIKES TO FUCK, BUT ACTUALLY LOVES TALKING ROT , SO TO INVITE A THOROUGH RAPE OF ALL HER HOLES. THIS IS AS FAR AS THE PAKISTANI MENTALITY GOES.



 


 

As far as the Arjun Tank goes, This has been widely acclaimed to be superior to t-90s in many aspects of thermal Imaging, suspension as of the French laqreq 7 weight ratio of Challanger.

With the 120 mm rifle bore it definitely a force to reckon with.
 
It took 20years to build a chieftain on board & another 5 years to develop it. but it it still took a couple of years to build an Al khalid,
BECAUSE ALL THE ASSEMPBLY INSTRUCTION MANUALS WERE IN KOREAN LANGUAGE, THEN WHAT HAPPENED, SOME KOREANS WERE CALLED IN TO DECIPHER THEM, THEY CAME & DIDN'T KNOW ENGLISH ONLY FOREIGN LANGUAGE THEY KNEW WAS CHINESE, SO THEY TRANSLATED IT INTO CHINESE. NOW THE THING GOES 
PAKIS ARE NOWHERE GOOD IN ANY OTHER FORWIGN LANGUAGE EXCEPT ARABIC SO THE CHINESE CAME IN TO TRANLATE THAT MANUAL THINGY INTO THE BROKEN ENGLISH.
THEN THE TALIBANIS CONVERTED THE BROKEN ENGLISH INTO THE ARABIC. SO IT TOOK ALMOST ONE YEAR.
NOW WHAT'S THE DELAY MATE?
OH UH THE WHEELS AFT WERE ACTUALLY PUT IN THE FRONT
& THE GUN ON THE ASS OF THE BOGIE OF THE TANK.
OOOOPS LETS CALL THE CHINESE BACK 
hMMMMMM
OSAMA CAME IN & SAID THAT WOULD BE UNISLAMIC, SO LETS TRY THAT AGAIN.
THIS TIME Musharraff intervened & said No let the Chinese people do the job, Because he knows the Capability of His
beard weilding  shayinsdan Or peekdaan(*or whatever daan or paan hufffffff).
So finAlly the Tank is assembled with the duoplicated parts of the Vintage russian Is Js IInd ww beauty into the Allllll Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaleeeeeed. yeahhhhh thats something Musharraf said admiring the beauty of the Tank.
the front looks like the Beetle car the Rear looks like an ass.
& hey the Side steps look like the bathroom stands. & yup best part of the tank( so called ) is its gun, which shakes voilently at the slight breeze
MUSHARRAF GRUNTS YAAAAAAAAHOOOOOOO THIS LOOKS POWERFUL  a beast  7 lion with a Meow.
 
 
 
The the Osama Comes forward & Mounts his torchlight on the tank Chasis Front.
now he says
 
Afterall its built in Pakistan 



 

 

 






 
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knightrider       8/9/2008 5:47:55 AM




I don't yet know but I think These pakistani stupids do not know anything about the military hardware & They all know about is fanaticism.



Al khalid is actually a variant of the standard t54 & all the parts right from the turret to gun & even the wheels have been sourced & supplied by the Chinese factories ijn North Korea Like all those outdated shaheeen & hatf & ghouri(or Ghoddi) Missiles.



The Pakistani civilians & their Army knows only one thing to sing those false melodies of false heroism, where They hAve been fucked rough.






 



Its actually like this












A WOMAN WHO IS A SLUT & LIKES TO FUCK, BUT ACTUALLY LOVES TALKING ROT , SO TO INVITE A THOROUGH RAPE OF ALL HER HOLES. THIS IS AS FAR AS THE PAKISTANI MENTALITY GOES.









 






 



As far as the Arjun Tank goes, This has been widely acclaimed to be superior to t-90s in many aspects of thermal Imaging, suspension as of the French laqreq 7 weight ratio of Challanger.




The Arjun, despite using a bulkier and older powerplant than comparable western tanks, still boasts a lower silhouette. This was a significant design success for Indian engineers.

The Arjun has a state of the art hydro-pneumatic suspension. This coupled with the Arjun's excellent stabilisation and fire control system, allows the tank superb first-hit probability against moving targets while on the move. Its ride comfort is highly praised. Though on the negative side, it is a more maintenance-intensive and expensive system, even if more capable than the simpler and cheaper torsion bar system utilized on many older tanks worldwide. During trials the Arjun showcased its fording capability, by driving under 6 feet of water for 20 minutes.




 



 



 

















 
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knightrider       8/9/2008 7:13:42 AM




I don't yet know but I think These pakistani stupids do not know anything about the military hardware & They all know about is fanaticism.



Al khalid is actually a variant of the standard t54 & all the parts right from the turret to gun & even the wheels have been sourced & supplied by the Chinese factories ijn North Korea Like all those outdated shaheeen & hatf & ghouri(or Ghoddi) Missiles.



The Pakistani civilians & their Army knows only one thing to sing those false melodies of false heroism, where They hAve been fucked rough.






 



Its actually like this












A WOMAN WHO IS A SLUT & LIKES TO FUCK, BUT ACTUALLY LOVES TALKING ROT , SO TO INVITE A THOROUGH RAPE OF ALL HER HOLES. THIS IS AS FAR AS THE PAKISTANI MENTALITY GOES.









 






 



As far as the Arjun Tank goes, This has been widely acclaimed to be superior to t-90s in many aspects of thermal Imaging, suspension as of the French laqreq 7 weight ratio of Challanger.




The Arjun, despite using a bulkier and older powerplant than comparable western tanks, still boasts a lower silhouette. This was a significant design success for Indian engineers.

The Arjun has a state of the art hydro-pneumatic suspension. This coupled with the Arjun's excellent stabilisation and fire control system, allows the tank superb first-hit probability against moving targets while on the move. Its ride comfort is highly praised. Though on the negative side, it is a more maintenance-intensive and expensive system, even if more capable than the simpler and cheaper torsion bar system utilized on many older tanks worldwide. During trials the Arjun showcased its fording capability, by driving under 6 feet of water for 20 minutes.




 



 



 

















 
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knightrider       8/9/2008 9:54:03 AM




I don't yet know but I think These pakistani stupids do not know anything about the military hardware & They all know about is fanaticism.



Al khalid is actually a variant of the standard t54 & all the parts right from the turret to gun & even the wheels have been sourced & supplied by the Chinese factories ijn North Korea Like all those outdated shaheeen & hatf & ghouri(or Ghoddi) Missiles.



The Pakistani civilians & their Army knows only one thing to sing those false melodies of false heroism, where They hAve been fucked rough.






 



Its actually like this












A WOMAN WHO IS A SLUT & LIKES TO FUCK, BUT ACTUALLY LOVES TALKING ROT , SO TO INVITE A THOROUGH RAPE OF ALL HER HOLES. THIS IS AS FAR AS THE PAKISTANI MENTALITY GOES.









 






 



As far as the Arjun Tank goes, This has been widely acclaimed to be superior to t-90s in many aspects of thermal Imaging, suspension as of the French laqreq 7 weight ratio of Challanger.




The Arjun, despite using a bulkier and older powerplant than comparable western tanks, still boasts a lower silhouette. This was a significant design success for Indian engineers.

The Arjun has a state of the art hydro-pneumatic suspension. This coupled with the Arjun's excellent stabilisation and fire control system, allows the tank superb first-hit probability against moving targets while on the move. Its ride comfort is highly praised. Though on the negative side, it is a more maintenance-intensive and expensive system, even if more capable than the simpler and cheaper torsion bar system utilized on many older tanks worldwide. During trials the Arjun showcased its fording capability, by driving under 6 feet of water for 20 minutes.




 



 



 

















 
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