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Subject: lAF vs PLAAF
serviceman101    11/13/2004 3:04:50 PM
If a war does happen betwwen China and India[not likely]india.Who will rule the skies. India will go defensive and china will go offensive. no flame posts plz
 
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SwordFish_13    RE:Error Regarding previous Three posts they are errors   11/21/2004 7:38:06 AM
Hi, regarding previous 3 posts i got this message everytime i posted error '80070070' /messageboards/AddMessage.asp, line 124 I don't know why .........can anyone remove them .
 
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SwordFish_13    RE:Why can't i post a reply to this thread error '80070070'   11/21/2004 7:40:38 AM
Everytime i do i end up with this message error '80070070' /messageboards/AddMessage.asp, line 124
 
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SwordFish_13    RE: Error   11/21/2004 10:47:02 AM
Hi, i don't know what happend a while before i was not able to post and kept getting this error message error '80070070' /messageboards/AddMessage.asp, line 124 Can someone delere all these Blank messages ....they are unessarily taking up space.
 
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SwordFish_13    RE:chinese doctrine    11/21/2004 10:48:23 AM
Hi, back to topic :......... China Follows a Different Style of Doctorine than what we call the western one.............in fact they don't call it Millitary Doctorin....what they have closest otis what they call millitary science he he he :D .............well don't except them to follow west they are not western................Doctrinal literature is developed by the PLA Academy of Military Science (AMS) under the authority of the CMC i belive..............correct me if wrong on this oone One thing that have influnsed their doctorine is the fact for a long time people have saw thwm as a hostile forse................so they have prepared for it.....................PLA's overall Doctorine (or Millitary Science as they call it ) overshadoes PLAAF?s doctorine...............As an arm of the PLA, the PLAAF has traditionally conducted its combat operations as a series of subordinate campaigns within the PLA's overall campaign One thing that is quite Noticable and strange for a foreigner is the fact ..............they don't hold on to the lamd they gane........................**Unilateral retreat ** which amases me the most ..................go into the enem,y terrotary with overwelming force................this Overwelming Forse is a part of their doctorine .................they are not afraid about casualities.................just go in with overwelming Forse ..............destroy the target and return ................most ig teh other forces would have loked to occupy the position they gain..................but not PLA they follow the principla of **Uniletaral Retreat**....................Look at all the wars they fought and you will find it quite noticable. now for the PLAAF?s ..............it'sfunction was primarily defensive, with very limited offensive capability. China did not expect to use air and space power but did expect an enemy to do so.......................China considered its air arm an extension of the army. ................and dosen't operate independentof it.................... Under such conditions, the PLA had no need for air and space power doctrin. Only recently has China reportedly granted the PLAAF an enhanced role.................the PLAAF now faces the worst of all worlds: it has a huge legacy force of obsolescent or obsolete equipment that was inadequate for the old strategy and that is utterly unsuited for the new one.............they are in a process of mordanising they fleet and Forse and it wil take a loong time ..................my best wishes to them. Cheers -=SF_13=-
 
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PacEMakeR    RE:chinese doctrine    11/21/2004 1:18:00 PM
Thats pretty much what I said, although thanks for the effort. 6 posts and finally 1 made it eh? :). BTW Swordfish, you joined up on protonriver yeah?
 
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SwordFish_13    RE: protonriver ?   11/21/2004 3:52:58 PM
"you joined up on protonriver yeah?" Yup Yup :)
 
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serviceman101    RE:chinese doctrine    11/22/2004 7:36:53 PM
They better change that doctrine if they want to win a war..
 
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WongHoongHooi       10/2/2009 10:05:34 AM
This thread is (so far) relatively free of the jingoism that threads like this tend unfortunately to draw. Well done, people !
I'm overseas-Chinese but speaking objectively I would be surprised if the IAF weren't superior. Their combination and adaptation of foreign and local tech to improve the SU 30MKI is really impressive. (This comment has nothing to do with my politics.) One wonders, though, why the Indians weren't on the game earlier given that they didn't suffer the same political disruptions to their R & D ?
 
One wonders if, in a war, it would be the Chinese who went on the offensive and India stayed on the defensive. Consider:   
1. One doubts if the Chinese think that they can take and hold territory well over the mountains and a lot closer to India's center of gravity than to China's. That's even without a superior IAF.
2. There will be some in India who might perceive a need for "pay back"which translates to going on the offensive.
3. China going on offensive equals active Indian backing for Tibet independence. (Although the Tibetans also lay claim to land now held by India - temporarily on the backburner.)
 
If there is a re-fight of a high altitude war, one also wonders how much of an air war there would be. Look at the Kargil War. The Indiansdidn't bring to bear their superior air power to pound the positions in the mountains held by the other side. There were sound limitations to the use of air power at high altitude. Given that the PLAAF currently lacks the modern aircraft and training to mount an air-to-ground offensive or general interdiction, air activity isn't going to feature much on China's side. The implicit pressure might in fact be on the Indian side to "make something" of the airsuperiority that has been vaunted on the net. So it is India that might deem itself under pressure to do a limited ground offensive with support of its superior air force.        
 
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johnboy       10/28/2009 1:26:26 PM
The Indian Air Force has a huge edge over the Chinese in terms of professionalism and training. I mean, the IAF is good enough to beat the USAF in certain exercise. The Chinese, for all their vaunted Su-27s/J-11s, barely fly them at all. The Chinese attitude towards matters like that is changing, but for right now I'd say Beijing still has that awful Third World attitude that the first job of the military is to look good and keep the civilians under control. India, on the other hand, looks at their military as a warfighting instrument (although they do look at their defense industry as a source of kickbacks).
 
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