Pakistan Vs Iran (non nuclear)!!!

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P3RSIAN RE:Pakistan Vs Iran (non nuclear)!!! 10/30/2004 12:14:21 PM

Thats true! Right now I would say the only advantage PAkistan has over Iran is nukes! But IRan will soon posses nukes! ps- Dude i only drink with my friends on weekends just to have a lil fun!

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vinuatlast Whats up Pak v/s Iran 11/5/2004 8:05:02 AM

Whats going werong in this world...? How come a terrorist nation like Pakistan gets away but a fundamentally Islamic nation which just follows Islam madly gets all the beating...Isnt it time for the world to thing and measure whos more wrong ..My sympathy goes to Iran..though they have been a bit fundamentally motivated ..they never sound like a threat to world peace..its countries like pakistan and China that pose major threat...iran doesnt have good enuff nuclear weapons... Pak and China are the major proliferers yet they get away with that ..Dont u people thing that Americas playing a double game...by lauding Pakistan for its efforts in the war against terror...Afterall what have they achieved ..one or 2 militants..well thats just 1% of the number of Pak militants that India has to counter each month ...Think about it ..

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monkeycow RE:Pakistan Vs Iran (non nuclear)!!! 12/24/2004 12:31:47 AM

Dont talk rubbish. Pakistan vs Iran. Our weapons are not for brothers. Iran is our brother.

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SwordFish_13 RE:Pakistan Vs Iran (non nuclear)!!! 12/24/2004 5:02:44 AM

Hi, P3RSIAN First Self Sufficiency does not always mean War Superiority .......it's good that a Counrty is Sulf Sufficient ..........and right now only Two Countris in the world can be considered Fully Self Suficient In wepons Production and they are USA ans Russia . For Developing Countries Self Sufficiency Could not be the First Priority you just have o strike a balance between Dependence outside and Self sufficiency. Iran gets Quite bit of a millitary help form Russia ..........Russia is also helping Iran in Building a Nuclear reactors. In case of Do not Forget India and Iran have a Millitary Aggrement that India can use it's millitary bases and Irans can use indian's Millitary bases and India will now provide Iran "military hardware, training, maintenance and modernization support." ........... in case of War......This is a importans Agreement ........that means Iran can Fly some of it's Millitary here and open a Second Front........that will give them quite a adventage. link But Still pakistan hve a little Edge in terms of Air Superiority and professional traning .............and iran can fill the gap with the Amount of Live war experience that have . Peace -=SF_13=-

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SwordFish_13 RE:SOF 12/24/2004 5:04:28 AM

Hi, "Iran's Army Sucks. The got their asses kicked by Iraq." SOF iraq was the 4 th largest Army at that time .........and still they didn't stand a chance against Iran if America haven't backed iraq ..........they would have been defeated a long time ago.

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interestred RE:Pakistan Vs Iran (non nuclear)!!! 12/24/2004 5:18:43 AM

i am no expert on deteailed military aspects, but if i were asked to make a guess, id say pkistan wins after a real tough fight. but about the comments of iran v iraq. at the time that war was fought, im pretty certain iraq cud have won a war against pakistan also with whatever iraq had at that time v pakistan at that time. but this is an uneducated guess.

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GBU28 RE:Pakistan Vs Iran (non nuclear)!!! 12/29/2004 4:38:31 AM

Not to mention that Iraq used Chemical weapons against Iran. Had it not done so, there would have never been a Gulf war because Saddam would have been killed a long time ago.

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GBU28 RE:Pakistan Vs Iran (non nuclear)!!! 12/29/2004 4:43:09 AM

Originally posted by Swordfish: "In case of Do not Forget India and Iran have a Millitary Aggrement that India can use it's millitary bases and Irans can use indian's Millitary bases and India will now provide Iran "military hardware, training, maintenance and modernization support." ........... in case of War......This is a importans Agreement ........that means Iran can Fly some of it's Millitary here and open a Second Front........that will give them quite a adventage. link But Still pakistan hve a little Edge in terms of Air Superiority and professional traning .............and iran can fill the gap with the Amount of Live war experience that have . Peace -=SF_13=-" While it is true that India and Iran have a agreement to cooperate on defense, their agreements with the US and Israel definitely supercede any agreement with Iran. Should either Israel or the US ask India to stay neutral, they would leave Iran out in the cold. India has clearly put its cooperation with Israel over that with Iran. Read the following article. Indian submarine designs Military forces operate on land, in the air, on the sea, beneath the sea, and in some cases in space. Of all these forces, the submarine force is the least visible which makes its operations extraordinarily valuable. It offers the ultimate in stealth and surprise while influencing events in other domains. Therefore, it can have the highest impact at the least risk. Submarines are used for intelligence gathering, surveillance and reconnaissance and are also full-fledged war fighting platforms carrying militarily significant offensive firepower. They provide means of clandestine insertion for special operations. Nuclear submarines operated in vast areas, are less vulnerable and provide a cost effective strategic deterrent as compared to other platforms. During the first decade of the new millennium, India plans to become a world power at par with Russia and China. The Indo-Israel mating with the support of the USA had made India's job easier. It has ambitions to police the Asian Oceans and dominate the region through military might and power projection. To this goal, India has embarked upon an ambitious plan of naval expansion. The plan is centered on increase in the numerical and qualitative strength of submarines to include nuclear submarines capable of launching strategic nuclear weapons. Most of the induction is planned through indigenous construction in collaboration with foreign firms. The current Indian Navy submarine force is a mix of Russian and German origin boats. They belong to the Soviet Kilo class and HDW type 209/1500 boats (two built in India) of German origin. India has embarked on an ambitious 44 - submarine construction programme to indigenously produce over 28 submarines by the year 2020. A total often diesel-powered ?Project 877' submarines, known in India as the EKM or Sindhu Class, have been built under a contract between Rosvooruzhenie and the Indian Defense Ministry, with the 10th unit, the INS Sindhushastra delivered to India in 2000. This final unit was the first to be equipped with the KJub Z'M-54E [SS-N-27] antiship cruise missiles with a range of 220 km. The first Kilo-class submarines of project 877 were built in the USSR in 1979. Quoting Indian Navy officials, the Jane's Defense Weekly said the diesel-electric submarine, INS Sindushastra, has cost more than Rs. 8 billion and is armed with Novator Alfa Klub SS-N-27 anti-ship missiles. The Indian Navy has four Type 1500 submarines in its inventory. The contract for these submarines with Howaldtsmerke (HDW) of Germany was signed in 1981. Under the agreement India planned to have a total of 6 Type 1500 submarines; out of these 2 were to be purchased and the rest were to be built indigenously at Mazagon Docks Ltd (MDL) as part of Project 75. The first 2 subs were constructed in Germany as per plan, while the third and fourth were assembled in India in 1992 and 1994 respectively. Project 75 is the Indian Navy's new, standard submarine in the 21st century. Admiral (retd) Kumar had previously stated that this project would be a locally redesigned variant of the Shishumar Class, with a tube-launched missile capability. In fact, the first two submarines were reportedly designated as the "Modified Shishumar Class" and were given pennant numbers of S48 and S49. India and France signed an agreement in June 2001 for 6 French Scorpene class submarines at Mazagon Docks Ltd estimated to be worth $1.8 billion. It is believed that the design has been adopted for Project 75 in lieu of the German HDW. Initially, a batch of 4 submarines is likely to be built along with transfer of technology. The month of September 2003, with the visit of Israeli Prime Minister to India saw a new development in the field of submarine construction. This followed an assuranc

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GBU28 RE:Pakistan Vs Iran (non nuclear)!!! 12/29/2004 4:43:46 AM

Link for the article I posted: link

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stafona All - PK VS IRAN 10/12/2006 7:39:55 AM

Leaving Pakistan's Nuclear weapons aside, Result is relatively predictable and straight forward.

Pakistan will thrash Iran badly. Pakistan military is way to superior than Iran. Iran may be one of the top militaries in Middle East After Turkey, the reason being that most of the Middle eastern countries have very back ward militaries, and hence thrashing in Israel- Arab Wars. Iran may be better than its Arab neighbors and thats about it. It has very back ward Soviet Era Equipment, which Saddam also had in 1991 Gulf War. Saddam got historical beating in that war and the American arnament was proved to be way superior. Iran's weapons are Soviet Early 1980 Weapons which are not comparable to Pakistani weapons. Further, Iran current boosters about their demostic weapon system is to show the muscles that it does not have. They were ment for domestic audience and was directed to gain Persian patroitism against U.S. The weapons tested are way backward in technology.

Pakistan gave them Missile and Atomic Tech 10-15 years ago, but Mashallah, they are so back ward that they are still very far away from developing nukes. I think AQ Khan thought that they were smarter than that. May be AQ needed to fit some in their mouth and kick them off their throat. Now are you all talking about the military that got the formula design and technology but still not been able to make it. You can deduce how their domestic weapons systems would be. Here goes Shahab up the air, and its motor fails, comes down and falls on Hypocratic Mullahs beard.

Pakistan has been producing technologicially superior arms, tanks, missiles, nukes, small arms and many more. Infact it also exports lots of small arms to Arab countries. It further makes fighter Jets, and also has a number of F-16s. Pakistani pilots are among the best in world, and they will eliminate Iranian Airforce in a very short time. Pakistani Navy will be able to defend our shipping lines and will be able to attack their ports.

Pakistan Army will be major fighting power. It is way superior than Iranian army. In terms of equipment, As I said before, it is way superior than Iranain Army. In terms of trianing, Pakistan Army is far more professional, Organized, better trained than Iranian army. Iranian Army, as seen from Iraq war is a mainly defensive army. Pakistan army has capabity of Offensive defense, incase it is fighting with numericially superior enemy india. I am sure, it will get inside Iran and destroy most of the revolutionary guards.

Iranians may think that they are great and they can counter or give some resistance to Pakistan army, but that is for the satisfaction of Persian pride, the glory of old persian empire. There is no way, they can come close to winning against Pakistan. Pakistan is one of the most professional armies in world. It is even better trained and equipped than the Iranian masters, India's army. This was the reason their master India did not attack Pakistan in 2002 despite 2:1 Numericially superiority. As far as Iraq of 1980s is concerned, if PK goes back to 1980s, we can beat them with the army we had at that time. Most of these armies in middle east are sham armies that cannot fight. We can destablizie all of these countries, including Iran with our military intelligence ISI, like we did in Afganistan, and India.

Iranians sure feel emboldened now a days but that doesnt mean that they are strong. U.S is not attacking them not because Iran is strong. It is just that US is very much stretched in Iraq and Afganistan. I am sure they can still invade and win against Iran easliy, but they wont want that becausae they would not like the entire world to form a united front against them, after what happened in the run up to Iraq war. So, Dont feel emboldened. Learn from history. Saddam did it in 1990 and 2003, and both time the result was same. I think Turkey can also spank the hell out of Iran.

Only Pakistan and Turkey has credible military among muslim nations. They both can together beat back all the armies of other combined muslim states. Last thing, People win wars from equipment and trained military and not because of the fundamentalism because of being radical. I am sure it has been proved in Iraq and Afgan war.

Long Live Pakistan

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