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Subject: Pakistan Vs Iran (non nuclear)!!!
P3RSIAN    10/28/2004 10:36:23 PM
what would be the out come of a war between these two! and this does not incluse the use of nukes!
 
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olive greens       10/12/2006 8:22:47 AM

Leaving Pakistan's Nuclear weapons aside, Result is relatively predictable and straight forward.

Pakistan will thrash Iran badly. Pakistan military is way to superior than Iran. Iran may be one of the top militaries in Middle East After Turkey, the reason being that most of the Middle eastern countries have very back ward militaries, and hence thrashing in Israel- Arab Wars.  Iran may be better than its Arab neighbors and thats about it. It has very back ward Soviet Era Equipment, which Saddam also had in 1991 Gulf War. Saddam got historical beating in that war and the American arnament was proved to be way superior. Iran's weapons are Soviet Early 1980 Weapons which are not comparable to Pakistani weapons. Further,  Iran current boosters about their demostic weapon system is to show the muscles that it does not have. They were ment for domestic audience and was directed to gain Persian patroitism against U.S. The weapons tested are way backward in technology.

Pakistan gave them Missile and Atomic Tech 10-15 years ago, but Mashallah, they are so back ward that they are still very far away from developing nukes. I think AQ Khan thought that they were smarter than that. May be AQ needed to fit some in their mouth and kick them off their throat.  Now are you all talking about the military that got the formula design and technology but still not been able to make it.  You can deduce how their domestic weapons systems would be. Here goes Shahab up the air, and its motor fails, comes down and falls on Hypocratic Mullahs beard.

Pakistan has been producing technologicially superior arms, tanks, missiles, nukes, small arms and many more. Infact it also exports lots of small arms to Arab countries. It further makes fighter Jets, and also has a number of F-16s. Pakistani pilots are among the best in world, and they will eliminate Iranian Airforce in a very short time. Pakistani Navy will be able to defend our shipping lines and will be able to attack their ports.

Pakistan Army will be major fighting power. It is way superior than Iranian army. In terms of equipment, As I said before, it is way superior than Iranain Army. In terms of trianing, Pakistan Army is far more professional, Organized, better trained than Iranian army. Iranian Army, as seen from Iraq war is a mainly defensive army. Pakistan army has capabity of Offensive defense, incase it is fighting with numericially superior enemy india. I am sure, it will get inside Iran and  destroy most of the revolutionary guards.

Iranians may think that they are great and they can counter or give some resistance  to Pakistan army, but that is for the satisfaction of Persian pride, the glory of old persian empire. There is no way, they can come close to winning against Pakistan. Pakistan is one of the most professional armies in world. It is even better trained and equipped than the Iranian masters, India's army. This was the reason their master India did not attack Pakistan in 2002 despite 2:1 Numericially superiority.  As far as Iraq of 1980s is concerned, if PK goes back to 1980s, we can beat them with the army we had at that time. Most of these armies in middle east are sham armies that cannot fight. We can destablizie all of these countries, including Iran with our military intelligence ISI, like we did in Afganistan, and India.

Iranians sure feel emboldened now a days but that doesnt mean that they are strong. U.S is not attacking them not because Iran is strong. It is just that US is very much stretched in Iraq and Afganistan. I am sure they can still invade and win against Iran easliy, but they wont want that becausae they would not like the entire world to form a united front against them, after what happened in the run up to Iraq war.  So, Dont feel emboldened. Learn from history. Saddam did it in 1990 and 2003, and both time the result was same.  I think Turkey can also spank the hell out of Iran.

Only Pakistan and Turkey has credible military among muslim nations. They both can together beat back all the armies of other combined muslim states. Last thing, People win wars from equipment and trained military and not because of the fundamentalism because of being radical. I am sure it has been proved in Iraq and Afgan war.

Long Live Pakistan



Have to agree that Pakistani forces may come of better in this conflict - if only through sheer numbers, fortunate alliances and plain old Lady Luck.

Pakistani Army is much larger than the Iranian Army, similarly equipped in small-arms (but with ready access to more reliable small arms), slightly better off in armoured corps (thanks to PRC - there is no fault in not being self-sufficient as long as the supply chain holds good, and PRC has no reason to abandon Pakistan if they feel Pakistan can grab some
 
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Jawan       10/12/2006 11:14:07 AM
""Of course history of past defeats does not mean anything in today's world - you know the axiom: "Delhi itself used to be ruled by savage Turkic invaders, today their descendants cannot hold a fully fortified hill for 3 weeks".""

LOL, good one Olive Green. The famed Paki army got screwed real bad there.!!!!

The fellow who posts that paki army is the best muslim army has his head in his butt, I guess. The only army in the world to lose HALF its country and it is supposed to be the "BEST".  How ironic!!

Such "WELL TRAINED" Army needs to be applauded. May they fight less and lose more Territory!!! Baluchistan, Pakhtunistan, Sind. et all. And the dumb Pakistanis (rather Punjabi Muslims) will still be CLAIMING that Paki Army is the "BEST MUSLIM ARMY"

Iranians will kick pakistani butt hard and fast. Iranians will win no doubt about it. They will choke off PAKI Oil and Pak military is as good as dead without it.!!!!!


 
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RaptorZ       10/12/2006 1:42:14 PM
I personally think we should stop thinking that these militaries are rag-tag orginazations, especially seeing how Hezbollah did against the Israeli Military Machine.    I'd assume they know what they're doing, It's easier to defend than attack, all things being equal, or close to, that gives Iran the advantage imo.....also Paki's got a lot of trouble brewing in their own back yard India wouldn't even have to be a factor in this.....
 
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rogue       10/12/2006 3:12:07 PM
India can help iran by just putting more troops on the border with pakistan, forcing them to retain a large portion of thier forces to check india. That should do it for iran.
 
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olive greens       10/13/2006 7:44:02 AM

India can help iran by just putting more troops on the border with pakistan, forcing them to retain a large portion of thier forces to check india. That should do it for iran. - rogue


I think there is a "no allies" rule here.
 
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olive greens       10/13/2006 8:13:31 AM

""Of course
history of past defeats does not mean anything in today's world - you know the axiom: "Delhi
itself used to be ruled by savage Turkic invaders, today their
descendants cannot hold a fully fortified hill for 3 weeks".""

LOL, good one Olive Green. The famed Paki army got screwed real bad there.!!!!

The fellow who posts that paki army is the best muslim army has his head in his butt, I guess. The only army in the world to lose HALF its country and it is supposed to be the "BEST".  How ironic!!

Such "WELL TRAINED" Army needs to be applauded. May they fight less and lose more Territory!!! Baluchistan, Pakhtunistan, Sind. et all. And the dumb Pakistanis (rather Punjabi Muslims) will still be CLAIMING that Paki Army is the "BEST MUSLIM ARMY"

Iranians will kick pakistani butt hard and fast. Iranians will win no doubt about it. They will choke off PAKI Oil and Pak military is as good as dead without it.!!!!!



First off, thanks for the compliment ;-)

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Actually I have to agree that Pakistani Military is probably the most powerful military among "Muslim" countries today. There might be some better trained (man-for-man), some better equipped, some better motivated, some bigger, and some better organized -- but Pakistani military alone has the lead in training, equipment, size motivation and organization.

Apart from internal-politics of all autocracies and reluctance of their young men to serve in hard military life, the Gulf Arabs's militaries also employ so many Pakistanis for a pretty good reason - they are the best combination money can buy. Before it used to be only poor Baluchis who were recruited by Oman and some other countries, and owed full alligence to their employers, but now it has changed. While many/most of those militaries use African Muslims from poor countries as foot-soldiers, Pakistanis from reular military are still the prefered mercenaries for technically oriented jobs like combat-engineers, maintenence crews, pilots, combat-controllers, special forces etc.

It would do India lot of good to recognize this relation, and probably save a lot of heart-ache later on. The flashiest lot, of course, are the Paki fighter-pilots in UAE and Jordan who are already training on F-16 Block 60s and 52s - and paid for by host Air Forces. But more menacingly thousands of combat-engineers and technicians are exposed to the latest American and European equipment even as Pakistanis are supposedly under "sanctions" and strict observation. There is also a long history of Indian diplomatic victories in placing arms embargo on Pakistan from Western suppliers subverted by routing it through the Arab countries (often paid for by the Arabs themselves). When their Kings and Emirs are themselves guarded by SSG troopers, no doubt Pakistanis can apply much more persuasive diplomatic pressures than you can imagine.

In short, they might very well be the best "Muslim" military out there.

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How does Iran propose to "cut-off" Paki oil supply?

IIRC the oil-embargo on Pakistan was successful in '99 because India had three guided-missile destroyers, numerous frigates and land-based maritime-interdiction bombers in Gujarat monitoring Karachi. And option of putting to deep-sea numerous submarines to sink tankers if worst comes to worst.

Iranian naval assests aren't nearly as extensive; the Arab suppliers even more hostile to next-door Shias than far-off Hindus (hence willing to risk tanker-losses running a blockade); the Straits of Hormuz has too many powerful navies (US and Royal Navies for example) very nervous of fighting breaking out around them. In short this isnt going to be quite as easy for the Iranians as you say.
 
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Jhang    Pakistan Vs Iran (non nuclear)!!!   10/13/2006 10:43:23 AM
What is this? A conspiracy to cause rift between Iran and Pakistan? If Iran has any true sympathizer then it is Pakistan. Iran would be foolish to destroy this relationship. Pakistan has most vocally supported Iran's right to Nuclear energy.
 
Similarly, Pakistan is aware of how Iran has supported Pakistan over Kashmir dispute with India. Iran supported Pakistan during 1965 and 1971 wars and did not officially recognize Bangladesh until Pakistan did. Such a relationship is hard to come by. I am sure some folks have reasons to be jealous of it.
 
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olive greens       10/13/2006 12:52:34 PM

What is this? A conspiracy to cause rift between Iran and Pakistan? If Iran has any true sympathizer then it is Pakistan. Iran would be foolish to destroy this relationship. Pakistan has most vocally supported Iran's right to Nuclear energy.

 

Similarly, Pakistan is aware of how Iran has supported Pakistan over Kashmir dispute with India. Iran supported Pakistan during 1965 and 1971 wars and did not officially recognize Bangladesh until Pakistan did. Such a relationship is hard to come by. I am sure some folks have reasons to be jealous of it.


P3RSIAN is/was a real Iranian poster a while back; the article was posted here when there was only a India-Pakistan board. As a matter of fact most people had lost interest in the issue (see the time-gap in replies) until a Pakistani poster comes storming in to ressurect the topic.

But while you are at it, notice the nice symmetry in Shahi Iranian support, and distinct lack of such enthusiasm in post-Revolutionary Republican Iran.
 
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rogue       10/14/2006 5:12:01 AM




India can help iran by just putting more troops on the border with pakistan, forcing them to retain a large portion of thier forces to check india. That should do it for iran. - rogue




I think there is a "no allies" rule here.

Allies or no allies....the inherent mistrust between the two countries would force pak to retain significant amounts of forces on its eastern border with india. That could be a major factor here...may not lead to a decisive victory for iran but iran will come out in better shape than if india and pak were buddies.

 
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CYRUS    HAHA   3/2/2008 10:32:17 PM
U pakis love making urselves look like dogs, but I never imagined u humiliating urselves like this. Looks like ur pathetic knowledge of world issues has dragged u to the pit-holes. Paki-pork chops like urself love to brag, but the fact is that Pakistan doesn't have the budget to nearly sustain it's own populace, let alone a war. Iran will very well defeat Pakistan when it comes time for head-to-head combat. Iran is self sufficient--meaning it is able to produce its own artillery and equipment, in addition to blueprints purchased from Russia, Germany and France. Pakistan has to focus on feeding it's helpless population who are starving, where as your politicians diddle their next door neighbours. The truth burns pakis in the @ss, but it has to be said and absorbed. Necrophiliacs in pakistan think that a nuclear bomb will protect them from threats; well they can shuve that nuke up and around the corner, cuz it aint gonna help mates! Brute strength is the way to go. They use Iranian oil and gas to run their operations, and that gets cut off, I'd really hate to be a PAKI then. Compare Pakistan's pitiful 65 yrs or so of existence and military experience to that of Iran's 1000+ yrs of combat experience. It's like comparing an ant to an eagle. And with the 2nd largest ballistic missiles arsenal in Asia (after North Korea), Iran is definately a force to be reckoned with. Iran will truly bring out the meaning La-WHORE. Now, shooo u dirty little maggot. Next bring some champaigne soo we can celebrate over how India is diddling Paki-land inside out, and how da Afghans are literally making Mushyy boy beg for mercy with their constant suicide assaults. And remember chump, never compare a dirty pig (PAKI) to a superior ARYAN (Persian). Big difference.
 
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