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Subject: Indian Intrest in Mirage 2000-V
corrector    2/15/2004 8:00:31 PM
I have recently read some reports on the IAF showing increasing intrest in buying 126 Mirage 2000-V's from France. If I am not correct the Mirage 2000 - V's are also known as the Rafael. The Rafael being the lastest in the Mirage series by Desault. The main reason for the IAF showing this intrest is due to the slow progress on the LCA and also a growing need to replace the Mig 21, 23, 25, 27 planes. Although India plans to produce 140 odd Su-30MKI's in the coming few years and accuire about 50 straight from Russia making a total of 200 SU-30MKI's, the IAF will further benefit from the Rafael in my opinion, making sure that all the planes with the IAF are world class and hence giving the IAF a huge advantage over PAF and the PLAAF. The IAF is already experiecned in operating the Mirages 2000H as it has 50 odd of these planes. Another intresting issue is the competition between Indian and Pakistan to acquire about 10 Rafael's from the Quateri Airforce who had purchased these 10-12 Rafael's from France in 1998 and now plan to sell them. Both Indian and Pakistan have snown intrest in buying these 10-12 odd Rafael's from Quatar but no formal decisions have been taken yet. What do y'all think. Is the Rafael the plane that the IAF should go for? Who do you think will Quatar sell their 10-12 odd Rafaels to? Indian or Pakistan? Does anyone know what is the latest and the most recent on the talks between Indian and France over the sale of 126 Rafael's? -corrector
 
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corrector    RE:Indian Intrest in Mirage 2000-V   2/15/2004 8:04:32 PM
Sorry, I meant If I am not wrong, instead of If I am not correct. Secondly I want to raise another point? Do you think the IAF should wait for the development of the LCA or should the IAF go in for the Rafael's to replace the MiG fleet of 21, 23, 25, 27? - corrector
 
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PacEMakeR    RE:Indian Intrest in Mirage 2000-V   2/15/2004 8:17:06 PM
I personally dont think that the Mirage's are replacements for the MiG's. To replace the MiG's with them pute the latter in a very demanding position, demanding ground attack while also maintaining air superioirity. It will also no doubt require a very interesting selection of weapons and individuals. If you have too many aircraft of the same type, any known or discovered weakness can be exploited to the fullest, which is why Pakistan wants to get their hands on some. By mixing and matching strike squadrons, the flaws of one aircraft can be negated by the other. So I think that they should only replace the MiG 21 with the Tejas (LCA). The 23-27 should stay in place until newer strike aircraft become available. The MiG 25's are being disbanded anyway. Hope this helps.
 
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Try2BUnbiased    RE:Indian Intrest in Mirage 2000-V   2/17/2004 5:10:54 PM
wht role will the lca play exactly. i think rafael is multi-role right? i think they should go ahead with both projects .
 
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LogicRules    RE:Indian Intrest in Mirage 2000-V   2/17/2004 8:16:29 PM
It would be an interceptor/attack aircraft. For the long range attack missions India would still rely on its Su's and other fighters, till the arrival of the MCA, which would take over these rules. Basically the LCA is designed as a short range interceptor designed to take off short tunways and destroy intruders before they threaten deep into India's borders. It secondary role is destroying the runways of the enemies who fulfill the same niche in their nation.
 
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LogicRules    RE:Indian Intrest in Mirage 2000-V   2/17/2004 8:18:30 PM
Going with both the whole way would be uneconomical. Going all with the Rafeals would mean decades more of reliance on foriegn weaponry, and the export of govt. money to other nations. The LCA, on the other hand, builds up India's weapon know-how and may create a exportable sales item for India to make a profit on.
 
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corrector    RE:Indian Intrest in Mirage 2000-V   2/18/2004 12:34:37 AM
As regards to your questions about which one India is going for, I am sure that India despite the purchase of 126 Rafael's is still going to put in a lot of money into the development of the LCA. ie: India recently signed a contract for the supply of 250 engines for the LCA from GE. These engines are supposed to be put in the first batch of LCA's that are intended to be operational by 2008 - 2010. As for the requirement, I think the IAF wants the LCA to be a multi-role fighter. Days of soley having a plane as an interceptor or a ground attack are gone. These days planes are made with the notion of multi-role capabilities. I think the Rafael's will be of a great help to the IAF and IAF should still continue with the LCA and the MCA like they have planned to. Any one heard about the sale of Quatari Rafael's to India or Pak? - corrector
 
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corrector    RE:Indian Intrest in Mirage 2000-V   2/29/2004 11:40:26 PM
I think we all need to pay more attention to this thread. IAF is now openly looking at purchasing about 125 planes as a stop gap, while the LCA is still under development. Current shortlist include -: Desault Mirage 2000-5 (With transfer of technology) Lockheed Martin - F - 16 (With transfer of technology) SU and Mig's combination of MiG/IM/M(unclear) what do y'all think. What should the IAF go for? - corrector
 
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trib    RE:Indian Intrest in Mirage 2000-V   3/2/2004 5:35:16 AM
first of all, i'd like to correct a small error, mirage 2000-5 and the Rafale (its name is not rafael :) ) are 2 differents planes (the rafale is the new generation of french fighter) even if they share similarities (multi mission, same armament)
 
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gandiv    RE:Indian Intrest in Mirage 2000-V   5/5/2004 7:55:20 AM
first of all mirage-V is not rafael. and it will be better if india uses the same effort in terms of money and time to develope LCA and equipt IAF.
 
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hello    RE:Indian Intrest in Mirage 2000-V   5/6/2004 7:50:50 PM
Corrector, I believe that even if India purchases Mirage 2000-V, they will replace MiG-21/23. India has only 10 MiG-25's and they are used only for Mach 3 recon purposes. I don't believe M2000-V can go Mach 3 (or 2.8) and I doubt that India will use them just for recon. Also, I believe that MiG-27 have few more years to them, so they won't be replaced right away. Finally, regarding your question about whether India should go ahead with the purchase of Mirage 2000-V, I would say no. Rather, India should use that money to iron out all the problems with Kaveri engine. I believe that that is holding LCA back. Realize that Kaveri is supposed to have about 2000lb more thrust than the current GE engine being used to test LCA. So this will help increase the top speed of LCA. Also, if the purchase is made, full potential of LCA may never be realized. And this would be a step backward for R&D for India.
 
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