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Subject: India is building a nuclear submarine
Softwar    9/10/2007 3:04:15 PM
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/070910/world/india_nuclear_submarine_1 India is building a nuclear submarine, a top Indian scientist has reportedly said, confirming long-running rumours of the secret naval project. The former chairman of India's Atomic Energy Commission made the surprise announcement in a speech over the weekend, the Press Trust of India news agency reported Sunday. India has reportedly been trying to build its own nuclear submarine, code-named the Advanced Technology Vessel, since the 1970s, but has struggled to produce a suitable nuclear reactor. While the efforts have been widely reported, they have never before been publicly confirmed. "Indian scientists and technologists are capable of making light water reactors and we are already constructing an LWR at Kalpakkam in south India for (the) submarine," PTI quoted P.K. Iyengar, the former Atomic Energy Commission chairman, as saying. Light water reactors, which use ordinary water to sustain nuclear reactions, are typically used in nuclear-powered submarines because they are safer. Iyengar declined to comment when reached at his Mumbai home Monday. The navy spokesman was also unavailable for comment. Iyengar made the comments Saturday while speaking at a debate on the India-U.S. nuclear deal, PTI said. Iyengar was arguing against the deal, in which the U.S. would send nuclear fuel and know-how to India for civilian nuclear projects, in return for India opening up its civilian nuclear plants to international inspection. The scientist said there was no need for U.S. light water reactor technology because India already has this knowledge. In 1988, India leased a Soviet Charlie-class nuclear submarine for three years, which it used as a training vessel for its sailors. The lease was not renewed after the collapse of the Soviet Union. India Today magazine, quoting unidentified sources, has reported that India's nuclear submarine will be ready for sea trials next year. The submarine, a 5,000 ton modified version of the Russian Charlie-II class submarine, will be inducted into the Indian navy in 2009, the August report said, adding that it will be capable of launching nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles. As India's economic power has grown it has tried to match that by reshaping its armed forces into a modern military capable of projecting power well beyond its shores. It is also currently building an indigenous aircraft carrier.
 
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Herc the Merc    Here Softwar   9/11/2007 4:30:31 PM
Thats very very old news. Let me tell u why cut n paste all the time maketh a boring post. The hull layout is by Larsen and Tourbo an ex Swedish company now fully Indian, the hull is ready. Its based on CHarlie 2. The issues were getting a small reactor which has been resolved in the last year. The propellers continually fail noise tests--just like ur Chinese subs. The props are being tested in Russia and the engineers designing these subs are Russian contractors + others of course.
 
Now it would take u several hours of browsing to find this info---co-operation is fun
 
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Softwar       9/11/2007 7:11:12 PM

Pakistan has been building nuclear submarines indigenously since 1988 and today boasts of 12 nuclear submarines. So from this perspective the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is far far ahead of India.  The Pakistani education system is far superior to the Indian education systems and the rumor on the street is Pakistan has amnassed 275 slbms (submarine launched ballistic missiles) since 1990. The other thing the news media wont tell you is that Pakistan with a population of just 160 million has 20 times India's GNP. This allows Pakistan a heads on victory in any arms race. Most news media wont tell you that Pakistan in the 1971 war with India almost captured the near suburbs of New Delhi but under international pressure had to return 1 million Indian soldier POWs and all the captured lands back to India.

 

With Pakistan's superior economy (50 % bigger than Coraporate Japan's), if there is any arms race India will surely go bankrupt.


Funny - last time I checked Pakistan had ALL CONVENTIONAL subs - 5 of them...  so unless you have some hull numbers not listed by the official Pak Navy website - I suggest your posting is pure balonium.
 
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Softwar    Prove It   9/11/2007 7:15:04 PM

Thats very very old news. Let me tell u why cut n paste all the time maketh a boring post. The hull layout is by Larsen and Tourbo an ex Swedish company now fully Indian, the hull is ready. Its based on CHarlie 2. The issues were getting a small reactor which has been resolved in the last year. The propellers continually fail noise tests--just like ur Chinese subs. The props are being tested in Russia and the engineers designing these subs are Russian contractors + others of course.

 

Now it would take u several hours of browsing to find this info---co-operation is fun


Considering your last post on India was the false claim that Colin Powell watched Indian and Paki tanks battle via satellite in 1998...  I must ask that you post references to prove your above points.
Frankly, I wouldn't believe you if you told me that you wore a pink party dress last night at the bar (the undercover cops said it was a wonderful shade of fushia)...
 
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Herald1234       9/12/2007 1:45:25 AM
GOOGLE India ATV subnarine and you find it all in 53 hundreths of a second. Moppusher.
 
I suggest you consult your sources again, cretin.
 
The monoblock reactor failed and is in delay again. The type model base is as of this time UNKNOWN.
 
L&T made and barged some barrels supposdsedly for some hull sections.  
 
Most of what you published is rumor and speculation.
 
Herald 
 
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Softwar    No HTJ Today   9/12/2007 6:59:05 AM
Sorry Herald - HTJ will not be replying right now - he has been banned for 5 days as a warning - see the Australian board thread on HTJ....
 
The recent press statements on a missile test for submarines seems to be linked here to this sudden semi-official claim.  The press did not specifiy whether the missile test was a cruise or ballistic system - but I suspect it is a variant of the Yahont (aka Bhramos). 
 
The other point here is "Charlie II"?  Okay a classic Soviet design but still outclassed by a Victor III which is supposed to be the basis for the new PLAN Type 93 Shang class.  Maybe its a starter boat.  I am sure the Indian Navy will outfit her with advanced western electronics (maybe). 
 
Finally, I do have to temper my comments with what the Indian Navy has as a mission - blocking the Malaka Straights in a crisis, blocking the Paki ports in a war and Indian ocean patrol are tasks that the new sub will perform. 
 
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tissapherenes       9/20/2007 7:40:35 PM
A Charlie II is almost one generation(~15 years) behind the Victor III.  With that said, the article mentions ballistic missiles, could be the much talked about sagariki SLBM with 200 km range.  So assume this hull gets into the water in 2009, sea trials will take 2-3 years.  We may see a commissioned Indian SSN by 2012.   Btw...does anyone have information of whether this sub is a brand new Indian build?  Or  an extensive refit/rebuild of  an existing Russian hull?
 
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