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mithradates 8/7/2007 11:14:15 AM

14 million displaced people and hunger is now setting in. This is a messy situation to say the least. Best of luck out there. h!tp://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/08/06/floods.food.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

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Softwar 8/7/2007 2:26:45 PM

Software, your ignorance of reality is truly stunning. The weather system is a chaotic system very weakly balanced in a steady state, tweak one factor just a little bit and the entire system can become too volatile to predict before settling into a new weakly balanced state. Now human life may not(most likely will not) PREFER the new balance that the planet goes into. You want examples of other steady state systems that the Earth was in?

1. Go back 70 million years and you have atmospheric oxygen at 35% and you have 4 foot long dragonflies.

2. Go back 300 million years and you have atmospheric methane at 8% and a land bare of higher life.

The U.S through it's own greed and idiocy may put the rest of humanity into a near-extinction scenario.

As for pooping without sewers...I saw who needs them. When I was growing up, we frequently visited the extended family in the country side. Pooping into wooden buckets was the norm. And guess what, that poop is collected daily and made into fertilizer that's put back into the earth. You make it out to be a dirty thing, when is no shame in people doing that, none at all. Conversely, the "superior" U.S way is to flush one's waste away with drinkable water into the ocean where they cause massive marine dieoff zones!!!

Now this is why you should never run a sanatation system. Did it ever dawn on you that your poop might cause death? Duh...

"Analyses presented in Chapter 3 of this report suggest a correlation between levels of bacteria and total coliform in drinking water and absence of piped water, as well as a clear relationship between lack of access to piped water and prevalence of diarrhea in children."

In short, your method of recycling is deadly. The food you grow with human fertilzer kills in large quantities. No wonder your infant mortality rate in the rural areas is so high. The contamination due to bacteria and other disease carrying germs in human excrement is dangerous and downright deadly to the young, sick and old. Quoting the WB report -

"The impact is particularly high in rural areas, where about 300 million people lack access to piped water, as well as among vulnerable groups, such as children under 5 years of age and women. This study attributes excess cases of diarrhea and excess deaths due to diarrhea among children under 5 in rural areas (only in rural areas) to lack of safe water supply."

But then you didn't know that. Geeezeee Louise! You are downright dangerous. Dude, I wouldn't want you to build a latrine much less work in a sewage plant.

We have sewage processing facilities - and we don't flush our waste out to sea as you contend. We can't because it would kill everyone on the coastlines. Instead, we have to process the waste and recycle the water after it has been cleaned. The cleaned water is reintroduced into the water table for reuse. The waste products are reused after the deadly bacteria and chemicals are removed.

Why are you even posting if you don't know sh@t? You have these plants too but only a few for the rich - not the poor - as the World Bank Report noted.

Of course, you guys do the same thing with polluted water that you do with your personal waste. Again, the WB report...

"Wastewater irrigation zones are spreading in China and now account for about 4 million hectares of agricultural land. The produce is likely to contain heavy metals such as mercury, cadmium, lead, copper, chromium, and arsenic."

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mithradates 8/7/2007 3:04:31 PM

Herald, if you had bothered to read the rest of my post(oh wait fools cannot be bothered to read). In anycase your fascist government is exporting the deforestation to entire other continents to feed your consumption while keeping your own forests. What kind of selfish deviousness is this? If cut off from imports of wood from South America and Africa, your forests will last how long under current usage conditions? Another example of American lies and hypocrisy at it's finest.

Do an economic resource survey next time you open your fat mouth, liar. We import 7% of our total wood requirements.[specialist woods]. Principle sources are Canada, Brazil, Indonesia, Finland, Mexico, Malaysia. If cut off we use SYP 1 and 2 grit our teeth and plant more trees.

What a moron.

Herald

Herald are you so FOOLISH as not to be able to see the forest for the trees? U.S imports more than10X as much wood products in the form of paper/furniture/finished/semi-finished goods than it does in raw timber. If you relied on your own nation's natural timber resources for this business, over 80% of your existing capacity would be gone. And believe me, I have personally read market research reports on timber supply constraints simulations on various major economies.

Where is your citation for this, liar? TITAL WOOD IMPORTS MEANS TOTAL WOOD IMPORTS including finnished Finnish yachts[love puns]

You've simply got to stop making these numbers up out of thin air, liar.

You've yet to accept personal guilt for your crimes against India related to the current flood. Well bandit, ready to expatiate your criminal imperialist guilt yet?

You could start by donating $2500 equivalent to World Vision, bandit.

That would just about cover this years' damage you did to the Earth that you as a PRC caused by your continued breathing.

Of course if you don't want to make restitution that way, there are other options....................

Herald

You really need to learn how to crunch numbers. As a lesson with no charge and before I go to sleep.

h!tp://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:Bm5JT23aM7YJ:fia.fs.f ed.us/library/briefings-summaries-overviews/docs/ForestFactsMetric.pdf+forestry+data+on+U.S&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
h!tp://www.unece.org/trade/timber/mis/market/us.htm

Total U.S wood production 467 million cubic meters

Total Housing/Construction/Fuel Consumption: 241 million cubic meters
Total Paper/Wood Fiber Consumption: 92.4 million metric tons => 130 million cubic meters
Total Finished goods Consumption: 23 million cubic meters

Total U.S consumption => 394 million cubic meters

If U.S relied on it's own resources 84% of the TOTAL U.S wood capacity needs to be utilized, as I have stated earlier.

Furthermore, Canada ALONE exported to the U.S 64 million cubic meters of softwood last year. Or 16% of your total consumption.

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Softwar What Happens If you Complain About Pollution in China 8/7/2007 3:18:41 PM

LINK

Activist held in China pollution battle

By Geoff Dyer in Fenshui village, near Wuxi

A black sedan with dark windows follows Xu Jiehua when she rides her motorcycle through her village on the shores of Tai lake, China’s third-largest. A policeman sits outside her back door all day; another waits by the front gate.

It has been this way since her husband, Wu Lihong, one of China’s best-known environmental activists, was arrested in April. He is held at a nearby police station but his family – who deny the charges – are not allowed to see him and his lawyer claims he has been tortured.

In her first interview since his arrest, Ms Xu told the Financial Times: “My husband has used all the family savings to try and protect the lake, but people just keep on attacking him. Since he was arrested, locals have told me the chemicals companies now have nothing to be afraid of.”

The case is emblematic of China’s confused attitude to solving its environmental problems. For more than a decade, Mr Wu, 40, was lauded by the country’s leaders as he fought pollution from local chemical plants.

But his family believes his troubles began when he began to agitate about Yixing, the nearest town, being named a “model city”, a largely ceremonial award that local officials hoped would show that pollution was under control.

He was arrested at night a week before he was to travel to Beijing to complain about the award, and charged with trying to extort $6,000 from local companies by threatening to expose them.

“There is a growing crackdown on activists, especially at grassroots,” says Mark Allison, China researcher at Amnesty International. Several campaigners and lawyers have been arrested or put under house arrest over the past year.

The police refused to comment on the case, which should have been tried in June but was postponed after the torture claims.

Beijing has made reducing pollution a priority and Premier Wen Jiabao ordered an investigation into the contamination of Tai lake. However, Beijing remains uncomfortable about individual activists.

Since his arrest, the pollution of the lake has got worse. In June, local authorities turned off tap water for 2m local residents because of a blue-green algae bloom created by discharge from the chemical plants.

It was the pollution of the lake that drew Mr Wu to the cause. He and his wife were childhood sweethearts who grew up in a village along the western banks of Tai lake. They used to swim in its waters.

When the chemicals industry began polluting the lake, he sent anonymous reports to provincial officials. In 1998, he helped a television crew make a documentary about pollution in the area.

“For the last decade, our family has not been able to enjoy a peaceful life,” says Ms Xu, 39.

In her living room are rows of photos of Mr Wu, including one taken in the Great Hall of the People in Beijing in 2005 when he was feted as one of China’s 10 leading environmentalists.

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Herald1234 8/7/2007 4:55:33 PM

You really need to learn how to crunch numbers. As a lesson with no charge and before I go to sleep.

h!tp://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:Bm5JT23aM7YJ:fia.fs.f ed.us/library/briefings-summaries-overviews/docs/ForestFactsMetric.pdf+forestry+data+on+U.S&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
h!tp://www.unece.org/trade/timber/mis/market/us.htm

Total U.S wood production 467 million cubic meters

Total Housing/Construction/Fuel Consumption: 241 million cubic meters
Total Paper/Wood Fiber Consumption: 92.4 million metric tons => 130 million cubic meters
Total Finished goods Consumption: 23 million cubic meters

Total U.S consumption => 394 million cubic meters

If U.S relied on it's own resources 84% of the TOTAL U.S wood capacity needs to be utilized, as I have stated earlier.

Furthermore, Canada ALONE exported to the U.S 64 million cubic meters of softwood last year. Or 16% of your total consumption.

Okay, liar, lets see your first source is year 2000 data, and yoyur second source is year 1998 data and you use that to claim that you have current figures?

No wonder I hate people like you. Dishonest liars who hope that no one will check the details.

What were you saying about me crunching numbers you LIAR?

Print out your data, coward along with your calculations. and lose face before the world. Your handlers can't save you this time. You are called out, PRC puppet. Dance.

Herald

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GreyJackal 8/7/2007 6:48:44 PM

"And your country claims more Indian territory so it can steal Indian river water for your yellow-teethed, bad comb-over commie bosses.

Bad, filthy, lying China."

wow wow wow....... tempers are flaring here. Take it easy people.

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Nanheyangrouchuan myth, the armchair scientist 8/7/2007 7:56:58 PM

" Nan, your lies are looking pathetic at this point. On a per capita basis an American uses 5 times as much energy as a Chinese person. Most of this energy comes with green house gas emissions. We are more than 4X your population and we just barely matched your emissions this year. So for the last 40 years, your country has pumped more CO2 into the air than anyone else. Along with this pollution, you have the usual U.S hypocrisy. I have visited your country, of course you keep your country forested and clean, while deforesting other countries and sucking their oil dry and putting a gun to their heads if they ever complained."

Myth, your numbers are just another version of Chinese accounting. If you want to compare per capita energy consumption vs. output, our economy is almost 7 times bigger than China's and Dirty China exceeds the US in CO2 emissions. We haven't even begun to talk about toxic metal emissions or organic chemical emissions. Mainland filth is even ruining HK (and so are mainland tourists).

As far as outsourced forestry, we have laws regarding imported wood (actually quotas that limit import volume). China does no such thing. We could always ask GodofGamblers, being from a country victimized by BadChina's thirst for everyone else's stuff. But it is too late for China anyway, you can't plant trees in a desert or in toxic soil, and trees need alot of water, which China also doesn't have much of.

Holding guns to the heads of countries to give us oil? That didn't even happen during the oil embargo in the late 70s, we just diversified. Give some examples.
How about China helping Iran with nuclear weapons in exchange for oil? Helping to clear black Africans out of Sudan for oil? Flooding other African countries with worthless Chinese imports for oil?

The worst thing about China's pollution is that all of the answers are there to limit pollution, but China is too cheap and proud to take advantage of that knowledge and technology.

Bad, poisonous China.

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mithradates Herald the LIAR 8/7/2007 8:05:11 PM

You really need to learn how to crunch numbers. As a lesson with no charge and before I go to sleep.

h!tp://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:Bm5JT23aM7YJ:fia.fs.f ed.us/library/briefings-summaries-overviews/docs/ForestFactsMetric.pdf+forestry+data+on+U.S&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
h!tp://www.unece.org/trade/timber/mis/market/us.htm

Total U.S wood production 467 million cubic meters

Total Housing/Construction/Fuel Consumption: 241 million cubic meters
Total Paper/Wood Fiber Consumption: 92.4 million metric tons => 130 million cubic meters
Total Finished goods Consumption: 23 million cubic meters

Total U.S consumption => 394 million cubic meters

If U.S relied on it's own resources 84% of the TOTAL U.S wood capacity needs to be utilized, as I have stated earlier.

Furthermore, Canada ALONE exported to the U.S 64 million cubic meters of softwood last year. Or 16% of your total consumption.

Okay, liar, lets see your first source is year 2000 data, and yoyur second source is year 1998 data and you use that to claim that you have current figures?

No wonder I hate people like you. Dishonest liars who hope that no one will check the details.

What were you saying about me crunching numbers you LIAR?

Print out your data, coward along with your calculations. and lose face before the world. Your handlers can't save you this time. You are called out, PRC puppet. Dance.

Herald

The fact that my data was off by a few years which does not change ANY of the assertions that I have made. Seeing as how data within the last few years corresponds closely to the 2000 data.

2006 data
h!tp://w01.international.gc.ca/minpub/PublicationContentOnly.asp?publication_id=383934&Language=E&MODE=CONTENTONLY&Local=False

~21 Billion board feet => ~50 million cubic meters => 29% ( raw lumber usage) => 13.5%(total U.S Wood consumption)

2001 data
h!tp://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:MPDl8SoFkBsJ:ottawa.usembassy.gov/content/can_usa/lumber_crs_052101.pdf+Canadian+lumber+export+to+U.S+2001&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=20&gl=us

2001 data ~20 Billion board feet => ~47.2 million cubic meters => 25%(raw lumber consumption) => 10.2%(total U.S Wood consumption)

I made a simple assertion:

1. Without wood imports from other countries the U.S would face an over 80% supply lock down of it's own timber capacity.

Now this assertion is backed up by US REFERENCES from 1998, 2000, 2001, and 2006 that I have posted.

You pulled a figure out of your ass with the claim that:

1. TOTAL annual US wood imports from the world amounted to only 7% of annual U.S wood consumption.

Now I have clearly demonstrated that Canada ALONE supplied between 10% to 16% annual U.S wood consumption. This is backed up by facts and statistics which I have supplied and which you have no counter for.

My assertions are proved by facts. Canadian exports as percent of total wood consumption is 16% in 99, 10% in 2001(because of world recession), and ~13.5% last year. Can you PROVE to me at ANY POINT in the last DECADE that the U.S has imported only 7% of it's annually consumed wood stocks from abroad? Well can you? Can you supply the references that backs up this bogus assertion of yours?

While I do understand that you are an idiot Herald, I did not quite believe that you would be stupid enough to argue Timber supply capacities in the NA market with someone who do global supply chain management for a living.

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Herald1234 8/7/2007 8:58:06 PM

You really need to learn how to crunch numbers. As a lesson with no charge and before I go to sleep.

h!tp://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:Bm5JT23aM7YJ:fia.fs.f ed.us/library/briefings-summaries-overviews/docs/ForestFactsMetric.pdf+forestry+data+on+U.S&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
h!tp://www.unece.org/trade/timber/mis/market/us.htm

Total U.S wood production 467 million cubic meters

Total Housing/Construction/Fuel Consumption: 241 million cubic meters
Total Paper/Wood Fiber Consumption: 92.4 million metric tons => 130 million cubic meters
Total Finished goods Consumption: 23 million cubic meters

Total U.S consumption => 394 million cubic meters

If U.S relied on it's own resources 84% of the TOTAL U.S wood capacity needs to be utilized, as I have stated earlier.

Furthermore, Canada ALONE exported to the U.S 64 million cubic meters of softwood last year. Or 16% of your total consumption.

Okay, liar, lets see your first source is year 2000 data, and yoyur second source is year 1998 data and you use that to claim that you have current figures?

No wonder I hate people like you. Dishonest liars who hope that no one will check the details.

What were you saying about me crunching numbers you LIAR?

Print out your data, coward along with your calculations. and lose face before the world. Your handlers can't save you this time. You are called out, PRC puppet. Dance.

Herald

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Herald1234 8/7/2007 8:58:44 PM

You really need to learn how to crunch numbers. As a lesson with no charge and before I go to sleep.

h!tp://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:Bm5JT23aM7YJ:fia.fs.f ed.us/library/briefings-summaries-overviews/docs/ForestFactsMetric.pdf+forestry+data+on+U.S&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
h!tp://www.unece.org/trade/timber/mis/market/us.htm

Total U.S wood production 467 million cubic meters

Total Housing/Construction/Fuel Consumption: 241 million cubic meters
Total Paper/Wood Fiber Consumption: 92.4 million metric tons => 130 million cubic meters
Total Finished goods Consumption: 23 million cubic meters

Total U.S consumption => 394 million cubic meters

If U.S relied on it's own resources 84% of the TOTAL U.S wood capacity needs to be utilized, as I have stated earlier.

Furthermore, Canada ALONE exported to the U.S 64 million cubic meters of softwood last year. Or 16% of your total consumption.

Okay, liar, lets see your first source is year 2000 data, and yoyur second source is year 1998 data and you use that to claim that you have current figures?

No wonder I hate people like you. Dishonest liars who hope that no one will check the details.

What were you saying about me crunching numbers you LIAR?

Print out your data, coward along with your calculations. and lose face before the world. Your handlers can't save you this time. You are called out, PRC puppet. Dance.

Herald

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Herald1234 8/7/2007 8:59:27 PM

You really need to learn how to crunch numbers. As a lesson with no charge and before I go to sleep.

h!tp://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:Bm5JT23aM7YJ:fia.fs.f ed.us/library/briefings-summaries-overviews/docs/ForestFactsMetric.pdf+forestry+data+on+U.S&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
h!tp://www.unece.org/trade/timber/mis/market/us.htm

Total U.S wood production 467 million cubic meters

Total Housing/Construction/Fuel Consumption: 241 million cubic meters
Total Paper/Wood Fiber Consumption: 92.4 million metric tons => 130 million cubic meters
Total Finished goods Consumption: 23 million cubic meters

Total U.S consumption => 394 million cubic meters

If U.S relied on it's own resources 84% of the TOTAL U.S wood capacity needs to be utilized, as I have stated earlier.

Furthermore, Canada ALONE exported to the U.S 64 million cubic meters of softwood last year. Or 16% of your total consumption.

Okay, liar, lets see your first source is year 2000 data, and yoyur second source is year 1998 data and you use that to claim that you have current figures?

No wonder I hate people like you. Dishonest liars who hope that no one will check the details.

What were you saying about me crunching numbers you LIAR?

Print out your data, coward along with your calculations. and lose face before the world. Your handlers can't save you this time. You are called out, PRC puppet. Dance.

Herald

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