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Subject: India Oks Nuke Deal with USA
Softwar    7/25/2007 8:45:01 AM
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India approves nuclear deal with US

NEW DELHI - India's Cabinet has signed off on the technical details of a civilian nuclear cooperation deal with the United States, moving a step closer to finalizing a pact touted as the cornerstone of an emerging partnership, officials said Wednesday.

The broad deal was approved two years ago, but talks on its technical aspects had dragged on, held up by American reluctance to allow India to reprocess spent atomic fuel ? a key step in making atomic weapons ? and Indian demands for a guaranteed fuel supply for reactors. New Delhi also wanted the right to test nuclear weapons.

How those issues were resolved remains an open question. Neither side has released details of the deal since Friday, when they said it was nearly complete and awaiting final approval.

But after the Indian Cabinet's committees on security and political affairs jointly met and approved the deal Wednesday, Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee told reporters that "all concerns of India have been reflected and have been adequately addressed."

Officials in the United States still have to approve the technical agreement.
 
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AdvanceAustralia    With Australia's support   7/25/2007 2:06:29 PM
The lead story on The Australian newspaper's website today is about Foreign Minister Downer's intention to ask Cabinet's National Security Committee to approve for the first time the sale of uranium to India.


link has not sold uranium to India before as we do not normally sell to non-signatories of the NPT. Despite not having signed this treaty, however, India has proved a responsible owner of nuclear weapons technology and has not allowed proliferation to other powers (unlike the PRC and Pakistan).

There is further analysis by The Australian's foreign editor, Greg Sheridan (who also wrote the above article).


link a good move by India, the US and Australia.

Cheers.
 
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AdvanceAustralia       7/25/2007 2:12:42 PM
I don't know why SP's cr@p software has links swallowing the beginning of the next typed sentence (even though, being aware of this, I double spaced the lines).

The second paragraph should read "Australia has not sold...". Hopefully the context was obvious.



 
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RaptorZ       7/25/2007 7:09:50 PM
Rest easy my friend it was clear.....
 
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Herc the Merc    Now Advance   7/25/2007 7:25:00 PM
That gives India a few more thousand bombs in its arsenal plus ICBMs on the way plus subs. Now if the government gets overthrown or voted out we will have an interesting scenario, say the Maoists takeover?? You may just get ur Uranium back, express delivery and highly enriched. - House of pain.
 
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blitZ       7/25/2007 8:01:15 PM
Herc lol. India doesn't need a thousand nukes, and neither are we going to make them. We just need a minimum deterrent, which India would have had regardless of the result of this deal. But still, this is a ground breaking deal. Boeing and GE are expecting almost $100 billion demand from India in the next decade. Plus, India's Thorium FBRs research will get a shot in the arm. It will also greatly ease the massive energy crunch India is facing currently.

But i am still not convinced completely. There is a big time trust defecit in India for the US. A lot of people are skeptical about the deal and say something critical must have been compromised by India. We will know for sure when the contents are openly debated in the parliament. Opposition parties have even threatened to abrogate the treaty, once they come to power, if it doesn't meet India's concerns.

So all is not done yet.

 
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Herc the Merc    Blitz its a longshot   7/25/2007 8:38:44 PM
But you must remember last time the BJP was slated to win due to the software boom but Congress won since farmers were pissed off. There is no trust deficit with urban India, but a lot of people do not realize that 700 million people live in the villages and they could vote otherwise. Anyways its not conventional wisdom, but it happened in China and Vietnam. The wealth gap in INdia is rising. The Maoists are not strong yet but credible threat. Most people in US get scared of Indian nukes for other reasons--my worry is a sudden shift to a left wing government. (a longshot as of now, of course).
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       7/25/2007 9:44:20 PM

Herc lol. India doesn't need a thousand nukes, and neither are we going to make them. We just need a minimum deterrent, which India would have had regardless of the result of this deal. But still, this is a ground breaking deal. Boeing and GE are expecting almost $100 billion demand from India in the next decade. Plus, India's Thorium FBRs research will get a shot in the arm. It will also greatly ease the massive energy crunch India is facing currently.

But i am still not convinced completely. There is a big time trust defecit in India for the US. A lot of people are skeptical about the deal and say something critical must have been compromised by India. We will know for sure when the contents are openly debated in the parliament. Opposition parties have even threatened to abrogate the treaty, once they come to power, if it doesn't meet India's concerns.

So all is not done yet.



1000 nukes, no.  But since the PRC is developing second strike capabilities to counter the US and Russia, India would be advised to have at least 500 to effectively "stone age" China.  Just like every other calamity in China, the villagers don't care about what happens in or to the big cities or military installations, they just keep on keeping on.  And thanks to pollution and a completely corrupted health care system they will be too sick and weak to march anywhere or fight anyone.
 
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Softwar       7/26/2007 8:59:29 AM


But i am still not convinced completely. There is a big time trust defecit in India for the US. A lot of people are skeptical about the deal and say something critical must have been compromised by India. We will know for sure when the contents are openly debated in the parliament. Opposition parties have even threatened to abrogate the treaty, once they come to power, if it doesn't meet India's concerns.

So all is not done yet.

This is very true - all is not done.  We both have a long way to go but I like your point. 
The debate is the sound of a democracy in action.  This sweet song - whether the deal goes through or not - should be a lesson for us all.  Just compare the heated debate in India to the dead silence coming from Beijing.  I will put my faith in a democratic ally over a brutal one-party state any day.

 
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AdvanceAustralia    Herc, learn to play cricket   7/26/2007 9:37:09 AM

That gives India a few more thousand bombs in its arsenal plus ICBMs on the way plus subs. Now if the government gets overthrown or voted out we will have an interesting scenario, say the Maoists takeover?? You may just get ur Uranium back, express delivery and highly enriched. - House of pain.

India's civilian and weapons nuclear programmes are being separated and Australia will only be selling uranium for peaceful purposes. There will safeguards and an audit trail to ensure this.

Oh, and Herc - you may have sick fantasies about India nuking Oz but I don't think the Indians will play along with you.

 
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Herc the Merc    Precisely Advance   7/26/2007 12:10:39 PM




That gives India a few more thousand bombs in its arsenal plus ICBMs on the way plus subs. Now if the government gets overthrown or voted out we will have an interesting scenario, say the Maoists takeover?? You may just get ur Uranium back, express delivery and highly enriched. - House of pain.



India's civilian and weapons nuclear programmes are being separated and Australia will only be selling uranium for peaceful purposes. There will safeguards and an audit trail to ensure this.

Oh, and Herc - you may have sick fantasies about India nuking Oz but I don't think the Indians will play along with you.


It frees up Indian Uranium for nukes. India already has nuke material for 200 bombs plus some lower quality process for 400 bombs (UK has the bomb making technique) and after nuke material comes in from Australia they have nuke material for 5000 more bombs. And then all u need is Merc team taking over the INdian government, and u will glow in the dark.
Night cricket, no lites needed. Lol.
 
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killmaster    HERC    7/27/2007 7:49:54 PM
ur such an idiot  still living in fantasy world
 
DANCE LOL DANCE....
 
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AdvanceAustralia    The OK from cabinet   8/14/2007 5:22:38 PM
As foreshadowed above, the lead article on The Australian newspaper's website today states the National Security Committee of the Federal Government's cabinet has given the go ahead for Australia to sell uranium to India for peaceful purposes.

Complete with nuclear safety inspectors lest Herc worry the uranium will end up in a spectacular fireball over his beloved, but heavily polluted, Beijing.

*ttp://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22247581-601,00.html

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Herald1234       8/14/2007 5:45:05 PM

As foreshadowed above, the lead article on The Australian newspaper's website today states the National Security Committee of the Federal Government's cabinet has given the go ahead for Australia to sell uranium to India for peaceful purposes.

Complete with nuclear safety inspectors lest Herc worry the uranium will end up in a spectacular fireball over his beloved, but heavily polluted, Beijing.

*ttp://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22247581-601,00.html
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22247581-601,00.html

Cheers.

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It would be a shame if it comes to that conclusion. I don't want the innocent oppressed Chinese to die with the guilty PRCs.

Herald
 
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Herc the Merc    Oh Herald and Advance ur logic is so flawed   8/14/2007 7:52:53 PM
The way things are going China and India might have to ally to grab Aussie Uranium, like the oil wars of today in the Middle East. Canada will be next. THere is no need for China and India to attack each other --for what?? Polluted cities?? Grabbing Brisbane, Melbourne and MOntreal is fruitful, historically nations with resources have been attacked.
 
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Herald1234       8/14/2007 8:50:07 PM

The way things are going China and India might have to ally to grab Aussie Uranium, like the oil wars of today in the Middle East. Canada will be next. THere is no need for China and India to attack each other --for what?? Polluted cities?? Grabbing Brisbane, Melbourne and MOntreal is fruitful, historically nations with resources have been attacked.


Having looked at the Iraqi water situation, all I can say is that the idea of China and India allying is not only ludricrous but actually ludricrous.
As usual moppusher you think you know something but you write a stupid statement.
 
While a bandit would steal, a merchant would trade.
 
India is a nation of businessmen and businesswomen.
 
You, Htj, in your wetdreams, though, think like a BANDIT. Hence I slap you around a little for my amusement when you post.
By the way, Its that time of the week.
 
Consider yourself reminded.
 
Herald 
 
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