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Subject: Chinese arms, radar for Sri Lanka military
Softwar    6/4/2007 4:50:03 PM
http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&artid=22366 Chinese arms, radar for Sri Lanka military [TamilNet, Monday, 04 June 2007, 15:59 GMT] Sri Lanka’s military has inked several significant defence agreements with China, including those for the supply of modern radar and large quantities of ammunition, press reports said. The deals with Beijing come amid public statements from India expressing discontent with Colombo’s military ties to China and Pakistan. An order for Chinese radars is being routed through a company owned by Sri Lanka’s defence secretary, Gotabaya Rajapakse, reports also said. Meanwhile, India could provide training, spares and servicing support for Sri Lanka’s soon to be acquired Mig 29 jets. Britain's Jane's Defence Weekly reported recently that Sri Lanka had signed a classified $37.6 million deal with China's Poly Technologies in April to supply its defence forces with ammunition and ordnance for the army and navy. Another company, China National Electronics Import Export Corp is to provide Sri Lanka a JY 11 3D radar for $5 million over the next few weeks once the site for its location near Colombo is ready, IANS reported quoting Jane’s. Reports of the purchases come as India’s National Security Advisor M.K. Narayanan publicly insisted that Sri Lanka should not approach Pakistan or China for weapons. ''It is high time that Sri Lanka understood that India is the big power in the region and ought to refrain from going to Pakistan or China for weapons, as we are prepared to accommodate them within the framework of our foreign policy,'' Narayanan was quoted by Indian reports as saying last Thursday after a 45-minute meeting with Tamil Nadu Chief Minister M. Karunanidhi. Gotabaya Rajapakse, Sri Lanka’s hardline defence secretary concluded the new contract for the Chinese radars, IANS reported. The order is being routed through Lanka Logistics and Technologies Co Ltd that Gotabaya Rajapakse also heads, the report also said. Colombo has declined to renew its long standing agreement with China's North Industries Corporation (Norinco) for defence equipment, opting instead for Poly Technologies, founded as a rival in 1984 by Beijing's military establishment. IANS says there is speculation that the change from Norinco, which has maintained a bonded warehouse in the southern port city of Galle since 1993, was prompted by the debt of $200 million Sri Lanka owes the company. The largest single order with Poly Technologies is for 120 mm mortar shells for the army, of which 70,000 rounds are priced at $10.4 million. Other imports include 68,000 152 mm artillery shells ($20 million) and 50,000 81 mm high-explosive mortar bombs ( $3.7 million). The Sri Lankan navy's requirement, valued at$ 2.7 million, includes a range of ammunition including 100,000 14.5 mm cartridges, 2,000 RPG-7 rockets and 500 81 mm airburst mortar shells. There are also 50 Type 82 14.5 mm twin-barrel naval guns, 200 Type 85 12.7 mm heavy machine guns, 200 Type 80 7.62 mm multipurpose machine guns, 1,000 Type 56-2 7.62 mm submachine guns and 1,000 Type 56 7.62 mm submachine guns, Jane's reported. Meanwhile, Jane’s is quoted as reporting that Sri Lanka’s director of Aeronautical Engineering, Air Vice Marshal Prashantha de Silva, is scheduled to visit Moscow to discuss the acquisition acquiring an unspecified number of MiG 29 fighters to boost Colombo’s power. IANS quoted Indian defence sources as saying New Delhi, which also operates 60 odd MiG 29s, could play an 'important' role in Sri Lanka's proposed purchase of similar fighters by agreeing to provide training, spares, servicing and other logistic back-up.
 
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Herc the Merc    My point is more to Myths claim   6/5/2007 12:01:11 PM
of India beinbg naive and pissing its neighbours of when China has pissed of even bigger dogs in the neighbourhood, I mean why would India care even if all its neighbours were upset, they each have internal problems worse than an India threat and ALL have lost wars against India--Mynamar has simply no interest, though its pro-Chinese, if Sri Lanka acts up India can covertly switch sides to the Tamil and ruin Chinas plan in Sri Lanka, and Nepal is a Hindu state, the Maoists are a minority that can easily be dealt with, and the Bangladeshis generally mind their own business or illegally enter India for jobs. Pak is the only real threat and thats no big deal. The real problem is China has rivals like USA, Taiwan, India and Russia. And Myth says Sri Lanka and Nepal are Indias threats haha.
 
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iSoldier       6/5/2007 12:20:48 PM

ALL have lost wars against India



Are you simply abysmally ignorant, or are we receiving posts from an alternate universe
 
In this universe, when has modern India fought against Burma, or Sri Lanka, or B'Desh or Nepal to have won it? Lets settle this once and for all - admit it Herc: you have little gills at the base of your neck, don't you?
 
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Softwar    Pay no attention...   6/5/2007 2:16:57 PM




Are you simply abysmally ignorant, or are we receiving posts from an alternate universe

 

In this universe, when has modern India fought against Burma, or Sri Lanka, or B'Desh or Nepal to have won it? Lets settle this once and for all - admit it Herc: you have little gills at the base of your neck, don't you?


Welcome to the rainbow world of HTJ.  Don't get to caught up because he does this with everybody.  My opinion - its too many acid trips.  You know those SF bay area wild-eyed types.  HTJ washes once a week, still lives in mom's basement, and wears tie-dye t-shirts along with hemp pants.  And oh by the way - he has a hatred of milk products so watch it if you mention the moo juice.  He goes nuts.
 
His temper tantrums are only exceeded by his ego - in specific he seems to have done everything and is therefore an expert on all subjects.  He has claimed to be a radar engineer, a software tech, and an investment banker.  I almost got him banned when he posted a reply that locked the thread but alas - the mighty SYSOP still allows the troll to post.
 
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GreyJackal    iSoldier   6/5/2007 3:05:51 PM
India has sold Lanka military equipment before. But only defensive equipment. 
 
Sri Lanka is ordering weapons from China and Pakistan, India is annoyed at this. SL has ordered ammo, motar shells, various kinds of bombs for their aircraft etc from China. India is saying to Lanka to come to them for weapons needs and don't buy from China and Pakistan, but India is saying they are not willing to sell offensive weapons only defensive equipment like OPV, APC, Radars etc. What is SL to do when if wants offensive weapons and ammo?
 
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iSoldier    Do you not understand the questions?   6/5/2007 3:43:22 PM

India has sold Lanka military equipment before. But only defensive equipment. 

Sri Lanka is ordering weapons from China and Pakistan, India is annoyed at this. SL has ordered ammo, motar shells, various kinds of bombs for their aircraft etc from China. India is saying to Lanka to come to them for weapons needs and don't buy from China and Pakistan, but India is saying they are not willing to sell offensive weapons only defensive equipment like OPV, APC, Radars etc. What is SL to do when if wants offensive weapons and ammo?

Show me when India has ever produced and sold new small arms, mortars and artillery to any country in significant numbers? India doesn't even have the capacity to produce beyond domestic needs... so how will it sell to Sri Lanka? Without anwering this basic question, how can you accuse India of not being willing to sell "offensive" weapons to SLs? On the other hand, has India ever objected to Sri Lankan purchases from Israel, Russia or Rumania? If the Sri Lankans want offensive weapons systems they can buy from Russians, Israelis, Rumanians, Poles, Ukranians, Bulgars etc.! All those countries have previously sold weapons to Sri Lanka and can satisfy their specific demands for weapons India is either not producing or abandoning for NATO rationalization.

 
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mithradates    ISoldier   6/5/2007 4:14:10 PM
Perhaps, I'm not really understanding what you are getting at?
 
If India cannot sell Sri Lanka offensive weaponery, then Sri Lanka has to buy it elsewhere.  Now Sri Lanka can choose to buy it from Russia or Israel.  It happens to choose China.  What I don't understand is why India would have any say in this?  Sri Lanka is it's own country which can make it's own decisions, but India speaks as if it is not.
 
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Herc the Merc    U r right Myth   6/5/2007 5:05:42 PM

Perhaps, I'm not really understanding what you are getting at?

 

If India cannot sell Sri Lanka offensive weaponery, then Sri Lanka has to buy it elsewhere.  Now Sri Lanka can choose to buy it from Russia or Israel.  It happens to choose China.  What I don't understand is why India would have any say in this?  Sri Lanka is it's own country which can make it's own decisions, but India speaks as if it is not.



Its not only India that told Sri Lanka what it can or cannot do, but also US was told not to open bases in Sri Lanka which we complied with it (hence Diego Garcia). There is natural deep water port in Tricamolee. So does China tell North Korea what to do and even tries to dictate to others. Nothing unsusal. Even Pakistan will soon learn the lesson--you don't get it do you, India has a solid policy of curtailing aggressive actions in its influence zone and if Pakistan doesn't behave sooner or later India will turn it into its "occupied territory".
 
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Herc the Merc    U r right isoldier   6/5/2007 5:08:17 PM




ALL have lost wars against India





Are you simply abysmally ignorant, or are we receiving posts from an alternate universe

 

In this universe, when has modern India fought against Burma, or Sri Lanka, or B'Desh or Nepal to have won it? Lets settle this once and for all - admit it Herc: you have little gills at the base of your neck, don't you?


Just Pakistan, there have been incursions into Sri Lanka when commies tried to take over, and Bangladesh and Burma for controlling insurgents--no direct war like Pak and China. Its you who jump to conclusions. Everybody knows India hasn't engaged in a direct war with governments of Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Mynamar, but it has its nose in their business. Various special ops etc u would never find out about. Too scary for u. lol.
 
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iSoldier    Mithradates   6/5/2007 5:08:52 PM

Perhaps, I'm not really understanding what you are getting at?

 

If India cannot sell Sri Lanka offensive weaponery, then Sri Lanka has to buy it elsewhere.  Now Sri Lanka can choose to buy it from Russia or Israel.  It happens to choose China.  What I don't understand is why India would have any say in this?  Sri Lanka is it's own country which can make it's own decisions, but India speaks as if it is not.



None of my posts here were directed at you, so can't blame you if you don't understand it. GreyJackal was insinuating that Indians don't want to sell weapons to Sri Lankans - which implies two things (a) we can do it, which I hold is false and (b) that we wont because of some antagonistic feelings towards the Sinhalese, which I also hold as false. I largely took offense at his verbs "bitchin", "moaning and whining".
 
Sri Lanka is a sovereign country today, so it can make its own decisions in most matters - however their problem is LTTE, which as both a guerrilla and a terrorist force creates an overlapping of interests. As fighting a local guerrilla force its Sri Lanka's problem and they can buy weapons from anyone to combat it. But when SL is also fighting an international terrorist organization, India feels its input also needs to be given weight in Sri Lankan decision-making
 
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Herc the Merc    isoldier   6/5/2007 5:17:18 PM
U fail to understand, the state of Tamil Nadu was highly sympathetic to LTTE in its conception. Thats 80million plus people. The government of Indias policy is very clear--ie keep the Sinhalese and the Tamils separate and not let anyone take charge. This placates pro Eelam Tamils and does not antagonize the Sinhalese -its defacto 2 countries, plus the Tamil area controls all imporatant naval ports like Jaffna and Tricamolee.
 
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