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Subject: The Indian googly--and more evidence of Sino-Indo alliance
Herc the Merc    11/23/2006 2:02:09 PM
THis alliance-not intended to be anti-american, but more importantly to counter American failed policies or plain incompetence (plainspeak) in areas like Afghanistan & Iraq--After US leaves who will stabilize in the vacuum--India & China are better off co-operating instead of competeing, to Asia and Middle East stable. Read the following report. The sources are not the best, but then the plan is also very outlandish-because it effectively ends the era of the West-- A secret agreement between India and China to slowly build a counter NATO of Asia Media Release Nov. 23, 2006 All discussion was in hush-hush. Russians are in secret agreement with India and China. It is not clear if Russia will be part of it. The need comes from NATO?s Afghanistan operations. The Iraq invasion and also the dreadful past ? Vietnam and Afghanistan. India and China has in principle agreed to build a NATO of Asia that may include three formidable militaries ? India, China and Russia. Any future invasion of Asian soil will have to face formidable challenge. The talks included cooperation in military hardware and software build up. China and India recognizes Military strength in number does not mean much. The warfare is electronic and remote controlled. It is more of a show of strength and capabilities than actual battle. Also in future the wars if any will be fought with command and control center deep in the tectonic plates miles below the earth?s surface and even from space and the moon and other planets. The cooperation and joint development will be in Research and development. The key lies in being able to develop next generation stealth, communication and seek-scan-neutralize capabilities. India and China have agreed to move ahead with their military ties but the build up is likely to be a slow process.
 
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Jawan    What the heck!!!   11/23/2006 10:40:26 PM
"" India and China have agreed to move ahead with their military ties but the build up is likely to be a slow process.""

What military ties u talking about? There is none between these two apart from regular meetings to resolve border issues. Potential combatants militarily and economically.

All military ties, covert and overt, are with Pakistan, Mynamar, et all... This visit was nothing, but political. ZERO SUBSTANCE and there is no frigging ALLIANCE HERE..

COntrol ur fancy flight of lunacy a bit man!!!!@
 

 
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Herc the Merc    India-China to form UK-US -Dutch type energy alliance   11/26/2006 5:51:55 PM

India China will jointly explore and acquire oil and gas assets in Africa and Latin America
Media Release
Nov. 26, 2006

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Energy-hungry India and China, often fierce rivals in the race for global oil and gas supplies, have agreed to form a joint venture company for acquisition of hydrocarbon assets in Africa and Latin America.

While the November 20-23 visit to India by Chinese President Hu Jintao produced plenty of economic commitments, the concept of increased collaboration on securing energy assets was clearly missing from the official agenda.

But this did not deter Petroleum Minister Murli Deora from using his old friend Chinese Commerce Minister Bo Xilai to get a midnight audience with Ma Kai, the all powerful chairman of National Development and Reform Commission, China's top planning agency.

Sources said Deora's unscheduled meeting with Ma Kai, who looks after seven key economic portfolios, including energy, brought about the critical meeting of minds on the need for the two countries to bid together for oil assets so as to avoid a price war.

 
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Herc the Merc    Here Jawan watch out for 180 deg turn in INdo-Sino relations--thats good anyway for the world   11/26/2006 7:21:34 PM

Bangalore: Joint military exercises between India and China could become a reality soon in the growing climate of warmth and increased exchange of high-level visits between leaders of two of the fastest-growing economies.

India is ready to explore the possibilities of such exercises, which would engender greater trust between the two neighbours. This was the message the Chief of Army Staff, General J.J. Singh, had when he interacted with the media after presenting ceremonial colours to the Pioneer Corps here on Friday.

Though declining to give a timeframe, he said India would be happy to take part in joint military exercises with China. "Right now, we are at the stage of getting to know each other better. We have to have language compatibility, and also discuss the methods to be followed in conducting such exercises."

Defence cooperation could be strengthened through the exchange of observers at each other's training exercises. "As far as military cooperation is concerned, there is peace and tranquillity along the line of actual control, and excellent relations between soldiers on both sides of the border."

 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       11/26/2006 8:02:02 PM
China wants those exercises to learn what the US is teaching China and both countries want to feel each other out.  The US and USSR had joint exercises too.
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       11/26/2006 8:03:14 PM
As for joint oil and gas exploration, India is not able to compete with China for contracts, so just ride along and get as much oil as possible.

But China will try to sucker India into covering most of the cost while receiving less oil than contractually agreed to.

 
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Herc the Merc    Nannu   11/26/2006 8:05:37 PM

As for joint oil and gas exploration, India is not able to compete with China for contracts, so just ride along and get as much oil as possible.

But China will try to sucker India into covering most of the cost while receiving less oil than contractually agreed to.



That could be true, but the bigger fear is China will penetrate Indian defence establishment -which it probably already has.
But China is toning down and I wouldn't be surprised to see a  change such as Deng did for economy. Maybe China will shed its Dragon cloak and abandaon lot of territory claims including Taiwan. I suspect thats what they will do.
 
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