Should India match its defence spending to that of China?

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Nanheyangrouchuan RE:Should India match its defence spending to that of China? 4/16/2006 1:57:16 PM

Focus on building up a good infrastructure and manufacturing economy in addition your IT. Increased money for the military will come from there. The US would get involved in India's defense and have an excuse to smash the PLAN and put troops in Tibet while having more corridors to support Uyghur uprisings in Xinjiang.

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olive greens RE:Should India match its defence spending to that of China? 4/17/2006 10:43:01 AM

>> Is it worth for India to hike its defence spending to compete with China? << I think we should first stream-line spending to the really effective platforms and raising wages to fill our junior officer ranks without compromising on quality. Hate to agree with our ChiCom mouthpiece, mithradates, but we should think more seriously about our under-water warfare capability and intel. Subs because nothing scares China more like being cut-off from Mid-East oil, and surface warfare ability of India isnt powerful enough yet, to both protect itself and intercept all Chinese oil-tankers. Particularly as we are being flanked by Chinese wolf-lairs in both Pak and Burma. Intel because Chinese dont wish to go toe-to-toe with an almost-equal sized population, but rather divide and weaken India into "managable" pieces. Motivated junior officers are important because it gives us one really good option that unsettles many Chinese planners: Indian forcess can de-centralize tactically, but remain a coherent fighting force strategically.

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musloko-maro RE:Should India match its defence spending to that of China? 4/17/2006 12:04:10 PM

The answer is a resounding NO! India should not! Reason? The Chinese armament race will be intended for a civil war, once the pro-democracy forces in China have their way, over the party/military apparatus. The average Chinese folks are fast walking up towards a more egalitarian society, sans all the odious state apparatus. Many of the chinks who have travelled abroad are highly reform minded, and are surprised, rather stunned that India has a democratic system all along these years since it's independece. The rule of law, a democracy/parliamentary system where people have their voice heard has caught up with the Chinks' social life. The Falun Gong has made many smaller but effective beginnings. The Chinks are no more dazzled with prosperity induced by the state apparatus through heavy exports of finished goods, or cell phones, etc.! India's worries will be it's internal security against muslim insurgency to a greater extent, than from Maoist insurgency in the long run.

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musloko-maro RE:Should India match its defence spending to that of China? 4/17/2006 12:12:25 PM

I missed OG's post. He has got quite technical, and I have to agree when he says ....Motivated junior officers are important because it gives us one really good option that unsettles many Chinese planners: Indian forcess can de-centralize tactically, but remain a coherent fighting force strategically. Is this possible, for the armed forces in India to come anywhere near a private sector, let alone match them? I think we should first stream-line spending to the really effective platforms and raising wages to fill our junior officer ranks without compromising on quality, more particulary knowing the salary-scales of Indian armed forces. Some of the smaller nations(KSA, Ku, UAE excepted) have much better pay/perks for their officers. Offsprings of ex-army officers of KSA/Kuwait/UAE(even from multiple wives/concubines/mistresses) get free education in any university of their choice!

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olive greens RE:Should India match its defence spending to that of China? 4/17/2006 12:43:05 PM

>> Is this possible, for the armed forces in India to come anywhere near a private sector, let alone match them? << A short period of service (say 5-6 years as in current SSB) + some chance of adventure + plenty of small-team leadership experience + increased pay. Sure you still wont be able to recruit IT and engr grads just on pay-to-pay basis, but I think you can probably match other fields in terms of management skills you give out in terms of "delayed compensation". There are plenty of other BPO companies looking for quality mid-level managers in the 28-35 age group... SSB officers can fill that niche. The important points are: a. Explain the concept of "delayed compensation" ~ tell them how they can manage 36 men at the age of 22, nearly 120 men by the age of 28. How that translates to real-world economic worth outside. b. Explain to the Indian mother that there is a very high probability that her son wont stick with the Army for the rest of his life. Will be out at 28, with a well paying job in private sector, and ready for you to yoke him up with that bint you been eyeing the last 15 years for.

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yakeepi RE:Should India match its defence spending to that of China? 4/17/2006 6:21:40 PM

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AdvanceAustralia RE:Should India match its defence spending to that of China? 4/17/2006 9:56:58 PM

The Indian sub-continent bi-sects the oil supply route from the Persian Gulf to the Malacca Straits. India is going to find an increasing number of PLAN ships, based in Pakistan and Burma, sailing around in its front yard in the next few years. If the Chinese feel their oil supply is threatened at any time they won't stop to consider someone else's sovereignty. India should be preparing for this eventuality.

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eggfooyoung RE:Should India match its defence spending to that of China?--to yakeepi 4/17/2006 10:18:22 PM

India and China are not at same level today. And the gap will be growing in the future. Your export is only 1/3 of Taiwan's and GDP about twice of Hongkong's, so better to do some fundamental things before unrealistic dreaming---->>> 1. india and china were never at the same level.both have their strengths in different realms.chinese have a massive advantage in missile technology and armory.india has an advantage in its airforce and navy. 2.quoting figures is a tricky buisseness and a half-hearted attempt like yours may look like an eye opener but fortunately its not.on the flipside why dont you quote purchasing power. 3.are exports a true indicator of a strong economy?countries like taiwan and some other fledglings need exports to survive because they lack everything else.india's economy is not export oriented.we have enough domestic market to sustain an industry. 4.not so far down the years india is poised to "steal" all those exports you are talking about.china will take the major share,india will take the rest.india will also become a better alternative to some of the manufacturing that china enjoys a monopoly at present. 5. coming back to the main topic,china needs to spend more for less,as far as defence is concerned.except russia,no western power,not even france will transfer the top of line war machines because of a)communist ideology b)chinese penchant for duplicating things and passing them as their own. needless to say,china will continue to develop a strong missile tech.thats the only area where they have a lead over india,that too thanks to the spies in nasa and elsewhere,who literally handed over a to z of american missile tech.

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yakeepi RE:Should India match its defence spending to that of China?--to yakeepi 4/17/2006 10:44:56 PM

>>india has an advantage in its airforce and navy.<< Not impressive. India can't make conventional nor nuclear subs now, and most surface fleet equipment are bought outside. Samething as Airforce, all bought. >>india's economy is not export oriented.we have enough domestic market to sustain an industry.<< You can say samething to the 18th century India and you know the result. To some extent export means competation capability at the international level. Besides, if you buy all the equipment you need hard cash. >>china will continue to develop a strong missile tech.thats the only area where they have a lead over india<< You're kidding. In all area, India is behind China in generations. Space, Navy, Airforce, Army and nuclear, just name them.

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eggfooyoung RE:Should India match its defence spending to that of China?--to yakeepi 4/17/2006 10:57:31 PM

"india is behind china in generations"----- yes.in terms of flooding markets with low-quality,cheap duplicates which countries like pakistan lap up oh so readily.in all other aspects not.as a matter of fact ur reply reveals ur ignorance unrivaled by any other in this forum.you'd be better off spending time on yahoo chat.this forum expects a minimum standard and a basic knowledge of what we talk 'bout.

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yakeepi RE:Should India match its defence spending to that of China?--to yakeepi 4/17/2006 11:13:00 PM

>>in terms of flooding markets with low-quality,cheap duplicates which countries like pakistan lap up oh so readily.<< You're talk about LCA or Ajun, are you? The JF-17 will all come with Chinese made avionics which are competative with current F16's, and airplane will go to production in June. The Russian Su-x airplanes in China only perform land attacking missions, all air combat will be done by J-10. What're you talking about?

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mithradates Will attempt to be fair 4/17/2006 11:26:46 PM

This thread is raising a great deal of nationalistic tensions. Firstly let me just say that a large scale war between India and China would be logistically difficult to organize. You would really have to want to fight to get a big shooting war started. Now onto the meat of the matter. Can India match it's defence spending to that of China? Yes. Can India increase the capability of it's military with the same SPEED and EFFICIENCY as that of China? No, not even if spending was the same. The key point that I'm referring to is of course technology. The current state of the Indian military technology is roughly 17 years behind China and 29 years behind the U.S. Even if India was spending the same amount of money, it would have to purchase advanced weapons from the Industrialized nations. Since China can largely make our own weapons, every yuan spent on local military industries purchases roughly 5X as much as India can through foriegn purchases. This concept is a simple one to understand, local suppliers can usually if not always produce cheaper than western imports given that the tech is roughly equivelent due to PPP effects. The bigger question is would India WANT to increase it's budget to match that of China without an industrial economy that can match China's?

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Jawan RE:Should India match its defence spending to that of China?--to yakeepi 4/17/2006 11:27:16 PM

"""You're kidding. In all area, India is behind China in generations. Space, Navy, Airforce, Army and nuclear, just name them.""" LOL, Generations!!!! Bloody HELL. First of all, there is nothing called "CHINESE TECH". Everything u make in Space, Navy, Airforce, Army, Nuclear et all is all copied or stoled designs, eqipments et all. Understood. Secondly, On what basis do u claim to be generations ahead of India????? U make copies of a russian fighter, tank, ship, etc. and pass it off as your own. U commies dont have any basic "indegenous technology" to claim as your own. The ancient Chinese invented a whole lot of more than u bunch of commies!! Make something original and then talk about comparison with India. Till then sell cheap goods made in sweat shops all over China and keep claiming being a Economic Power. THe world laughs at CHina's technology. That is the reason why u have such a large PLA coz with COPIED 60s technology u can do only so much !!!

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eggfooyoung RE:Should India match its defence spending to that of China?--to yakeepi 4/17/2006 11:27:59 PM

the moment you posted that ignominable reply i knew you werent chinese.chinese can never be so stupid and ignorant as you.you are just another brain-fu***d paki.pity you.

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yakeepi RE:Should India match its defence spending to that of China?--to yakeepi 4/17/2006 11:32:08 PM

I will say generations for sure. India failed H-bomb test 1998 which China had succeeded it in 1967, more than 40 years before. That reflects the technology gap.

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