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musloko-maro RE:India-China border clash 1962 1/12/2006 10:43:21 PM

Dhanyavaad TSI --->I'll have to agree with MM on this one! You cannot be in fear of the unknown always.You be better prepared for the unknown.Thats smarter! Arent they afraid of their lives,their families-they all are...there are the brianwashed ones but they're all afraid.... Arent they apprehensive of a massive reprisal... India will have to call this nucleur bluff once and for all and show the Pakis their place... The BJP does take a hard line on domestic issues but remember it was Indira Gandhi who was gave the go ahead for East pakistan's dismemberment. And finally India is taking a clear cut unambiguous stance on Balochistan.These statement have rickled under congress's rule.... Vajpayee and company were nuthin but punks who deserved to be shot in the dec 13 parliament attack...;) A few days after Dec 13th, I did send letters to a few Canadian papers in ONT and BC on this subject, and mentioning the gist of what I have said in my post 1/9/2006 9:32:38 PM, as also, I did voice my opinion in a radio talk on S. Asia. Many Canadians did agree with me, whole heartedly, but our own desis developed cold feet, on the eventuality of a nuclear show down! The gist of my message was conveying a strong reply to islamist-terrorism, which would only understand & subside, when met with a greater vehement force! There is no other way out, in dealing with them. Here comes the central(core) message from both Ramayana & Mahabharata(Gita) regarding scruplously observing the tenets of Dharma! Hard to understand? Nah!

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luckybird RE:India-China border clash 1962 7/28/2006 5:34:35 AM

i think the story on link is not true. first, india has never signed any agreement with china on its border even till now, but india claimed that mc mahon line was valid and india has a confirmed boundary. this is ridiculous. second, india has already invaded into chinese territory. since the war in 1962 started at the Dhola post, which is 3km north of mc mahon line. so it was india who started the war. i suggest u read the 'india's china war' by neville maxwell. It tells u a real story and u even have no reason to deny it. here is the link: link

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Nanheyangrouchuan RE:India-China border clash 1962 7/28/2006 4:55:17 PM

neville maxwell is just a CCP apologist, a latter day Edgar Snow Jr.

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musloko-maro RE:India-China border clash 1962 7/28/2006 7:43:55 PM

We need to study the China-India border through greater historical perspectives and in the early 1900-1908 developments: India as an entiy(more politically) emerged in 1858, after Queen Vicki's take-over deal from the maraudering East India Company "businessmen" who were nothing more than brigandering, buckaneering dacoits. No doubt about this. It's true, that no Indian official and/or entity ever demarcated the Sino-Indian boundaries. And a definite delineated borders of Indo-China wasn't there, "officially". Don't forget that Nepal's expedition(not adventurism) in Tibet was "halted" by the Chinese monarch's troops. In this backdrop, look at Nepal's northern borders with Brahmaputra River. If China loudly broadcasts from rooftops, that Brahmaputra and/or Tibet is not Indian, then it was never Chinese, either to begin with! But, there has been several instances of Indian tax/revenue officials, registering their presence and remote provincial Hindu Rajas(read Nepal) did periodically render administrative/medical/educational assistance, without any imposition/strings. The ancient Tibetian religious archives bear testimony to this effect.[ For Nepal map, the CIA factbook: https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/np.html] Sometime during the early part of 1900s(before 1911 the Sun-Yat-Sen revolution) there were a few attempts by Brit military commanders, who made contacts with the Imperial Chinese officials, to cause a permanent demarcated borders of British Indian Empire in Tibet... which was motivated with a British view to check Nepali military adventurism in Tibet against any(future) weak Imperial Chinese authority. Comprehend this aspect: In this regard, the Brits were trying to establish a reverse Durrand Line. The Brits feared a revived Russia on the other side(Afghan-Russia), than any kind of revived Imperial China, which for all purposes, never had their(Chinese) writ run with vigour in the vast expanse of their Empire with many insurgencies After the Chinese Emperor was deposed in 1911, by Dr. Sun-Yat-Sen, a U.S. educated protestant christian, China was indeed on extremely shaky grounds, since Sun-Yat-Sen, found it increasingly difficult to keep his new found "empire" intact. By 1910, the Japanese had successfully the severance of Korea from China, and outsiders had a field day in every part of China. Sun-Yat-Sen's officials wanted to make a deal with the Brit India, though the McMohan Line was not accepted. Again, since the end of World War II, and with the Maosit revolution in full swing, India just before, and just after Independence did not capitalize on the greatest golden opportunity to take Tibet/Brahmaputra/Manasarovar, etc., from China. In 1947 to 1954, China was an international Paraiah, with their brutal commie revolution, and what India's Nehru do? He started kissing the Chinks' arses for no earthly reason, and gave them the six border military garrisons, which the Brits had preserved. Pl read my first post, on this thread, as what Sardar V Patel wanted to do, in 1948. But he was ailing and his hands were full! Alas, India lost several golden opportunities to stabilize itself. India, is perhaps the only nation in the World, to have lost territory, on all of it's borders, even to little nations, like Sri Lanka, Seychelles, Maladives, Diego Garcia, et al

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imzy RE:India-China border clash 1962 7/29/2006 12:51:32 AM

can understand losing territory to lankans but maldives,seychelles?

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musloko-maro RE:India-China border clash 1962 7/29/2006 3:18:40 PM

can understand losing territory to lankans but maldives,seychelles? Some of these isles are submerged. The recent tsunami did erode some other submerged islands, and almost all the islands which have been under "contention" are uninhabitable, and rarely visited. Some of them are hardly few hundred sq. ft., claims India's Coast Guard. The other argument advanced by India's Navy and Coast Guard, and Customs, is that these "disputed" isles do not pose any security risk to India's territorial and maritime integrity But advent of terrorism in all percievable forms are a different story. The matter of Diego Garcia is totally a different ball game,, in that the US have leased them from Brits, to monitar Soviet vessels during the height of Cold War.

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Nanheyangrouchuan RE:India-China border clash 1962 - Diego Garcia 7/29/2006 6:35:16 PM

And now its to keep the PLA behaved and watch, and snip the "string of pearls" if necessary.

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luckybird RE:India-China border clash 1962 7/30/2006 10:18:59 PM

i am quite confused that musloko-maro said in his post that "India just before, and just after Independence did not capitalize on the greatest golden opportunity to take Tibet/Brahmaputra/Manasarovar, etc., from China. " it seems he is quite regretful that india failed to take the chance to SEPARATE and TAKE OVER tibet from china. it is a very dangerous idea. actually india did make efforts to do it then. but the efforts proved to be not enough. however, at least it shows a fact that tibet was then and is now part of china (actually for 700 years). tibet was never an independent country. this also proves that "china's invasion of an independent tibet" is totally a nonsense. it is very paradoxical that india, marking herself as a peaceloving country, made every effort to achieve independence and get rid of the ruling from the british, while at the other hand tried to separate other countries in order to protect the interests which the british was attempted to gain through ignominious means.

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Nanheyangrouchuan RE:India-China border clash 1962- dirtybird 7/31/2006 11:55:16 PM

"however, at least it shows a fact that tibet was then and is now part of china (actually for 700 years). tibet was never an independent country. this also proves that "china's invasion of an independent tibet" is totally a nonsense." Tibet was a much larger country during and before the Tang dynasty. Much in interior china actually belongs to Tibet, now give it back you thieves. Bad, bad, china

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luckybird RE:India-China border clash 1962- dirtybird 8/1/2006 3:38:31 AM

"Tibet was a much larger country during and before the Tang dynasty. " you are quite right on this. but please pay attention to the context of my post. the discussion focused on the incident happened in the middle of last century. perhaps i should say "tibet was never an independent country then" for your full understanding. no independence, no invasion. it's just that simple.

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