"if you send 2000 of your men dressed as locals to invade india; yeah we will be taken by surprise again." I'm speaking of the huge amounts of munitions, machine guns, mortars and light artillery pieces that they managed to sneak into Indian territory. Something on the order 6000 tons of military equipment and supplies. The fact that Indian military intelligence let such a huge slip-up occur is fairly indicative of the capabilities of that agency.

"If we used the airforce in kargil, u can bet on it being used when china is attacking and occupying our territory....and surely u won't have air superiority over our airspace either." I think what is important is HOW and WHEN the airforce was used. Here's a general timeline of the operations at Kargil. 1. Enemy strongpoints where detected by the Indian army 2. Army sends light infantry to take the strongpoints, which was repulsed 3. Army used massed artillery against strong points, then commits infantry, which was repulsed. 4. Army uses air calvery to attack strong points with rockets and machine guns. One helicoptor is shot down, the rest were repulsed. 5. Army tries to launch a COORDINATED infantry/artillery operation against strong points and was repulsed. 6. Army relays location of the enemy positions to IAF 7. IAF tries to strike the positions with conventional gravity bombs, 2 Mig-21s were shot down and the operation was unsuccessful. 8. IAF then used Mirages and LGBs to hit the main enemy fortifications and destroyed them. 9. Army followed up with a combined arty/infantry assualt which caused a Pakistani rout. Clearly, a well-coordinated military would've done the following: Steps 1,6,8,9 Instead, the army tried to do the job by itself and couldn't even coordinate it's own internal services(infantry, air-calvary, artillery). The IAF received orders roughly 1 month after the enemy positions were identified. And they tried to do the job alone, and initially failed. The final victory was a combination of air,arty support and infantry, and of course the fact that the entrenched defenders were running out of supplies. Thus through the Kargil conflict, we can see that Indian inter-service and intra-service coordination is not all that good.

"Do u think the result will be significantly different this time around, if china decides to attack us?" Quite likely. China won PRIMARILY due to 2 reasons: 1. Acclimitization and Experience: Most soldiers were survivors of Korean War and had coped with much worse winter in Chinese North-East. 2. Chinese higher leadership itself had plenty of combat experience fighting in World War II and Chinese Civil War. Neither of these 2 reasons are valid today.

1. Poor interservice cooperation. Indian infantry couldn't cooperate with artillery. And the airforce simply wasn't used at all. --->Still an issue.Its better than it was in 1999 though.The Army is bbetr geared for the surprise element and leant never to trust the pakis and Chinese for anythin they're worth ;) 2. Indian politicians likes to meddle in the affairs of her generals. ---->Damn!I wish we cud shoot our politicians.We had a chance to cross the LOC and teach these Pakis a lesson after kargil but our politicians messed up big time as usual... These 2 reasons are as valid as they were in 1962. -->I wud almost concur....

>> Damn!I wish we cud shoot our politicians. << If wishes were horses beggars would ride... and Chinese fly ;-) >> We had a chance to cross the LOC and teach these Pakis a lesson after kargil but our politicians messed up big time as usual... << Two things to notice: 1. It was BJP in power -- in Indian politics they take (or used to take) just about the hardest democratically acceptable line on defense issues. So unless you are talking about a coup de etat... 2. By crossing the LOC (and not the IB - which would have triggered a nuclear war for sure) wouldnt you be walking into a literal minefield, over some of the most difficult terrain, under strategically positioned and prepared Paki guns, and plumb into Heart of Darkness? PS: 1962 war was as much a political defeat of the Chinese as was it their military victory. Mao, perhaps wisely, chanelled into the holocaust of Cultural Revolution (1965) quite a few of the theater commanders of the war (since they conveniently came under the "educated elites"). Maybe thats a true display of political will???

"". By crossing the LOC (and not the IB - which would have triggered a nuclear war for sure) wouldnt you be walking into a literal minefield, over some of the most difficult terrain, under strategically positioned and prepared Paki guns, and plumb into Heart of Darkness?"" --->I'll have to agree with MM on this one! You cannot be in fear of the unknown always.You be better prepared for the unknown.Thats smarter! Arent they afraid of their lives,their families-they all are...there are the brianwashed ones but they're all afraid.... Arent they apprehensive of a massive reprisal... India will have to call this nucleur bluff once and for all and show the Pakis their place... The BJP does take a hard line on domestic issues but remember it was Indira Gandhi who was gave the go ahead for East pakistan's dismemberment. And finally India is taking a clear cut unambiguous stance on Balochistan.These statement have rickled under congress's rule.... Vajpayee and company were nuthin but punks who deserved to be shot in the dec 13 parliament attack...;)

"India will have to call this nucleur bluff once and for all and show the Pakis their place..." Hahahahaha. Man if there are more indians that think like you, then Pakistan has nothing to worry about

i think the story on http://sinoindianwar.50megs.com/1.htm is not true. first, india has never signed any agreement with china on its border even till now, but india claimed that mc mahon line was valid and india has a confirmed boundary. this is ridiculous. second, india has already invaded into chinese territory. since the war in 1962 started at the Dhola post, which is 3km north of mc mahon line. so it was india who started the war. i suggest u read the 'india's china war' by neville maxwell. It tells u a real story and u even have no reason to deny it. here is the link: http://www.centurychina.com/plaboard/uploads/1962war.htm

neville maxwell is just a CCP apologist, a latter day Edgar Snow Jr.

can understand losing territory to lankans but maldives,seychelles?