Let?s start thinking rationally? In any future war scenario with Pakistan, we must build in the ground situation on Pakistan's western borders. Indians would at the very worst hold Pakistan beyond the borders of Lahore and we will hold a lot of ground in other parts of Sind and Punjab.

 

It is at this stage that people from Sind; NWFP and Baluchistan will start to assert themselves and we must then support them - aka East Bengal 1970 era. This will break up Pakistan and hasten the collapse of an already failed state.

 

Militarily because Pakistan is much smaller, its army will get degraded faster after the first Indian assault. We will suffer loses but keeping in view the rapid technological advances in Military hard ware the very notion of a Pakistani quality advantage does not exist anymore.

 

Post 1971 , India now will have to engage Pakistan only on one front, and this will effectively mean that the might of the Indian Army will grind Pakistani forces into dust.

 

In so far as the nuclear blackmail is concerned, in case we are attacked by Nuclear weapons, it will take five minutes to launch 40 Prithvi's on all major Pakistani cities and Pakistan as we know today will cease to exist! India is a huge continent we will suffer vast casualties but we will still have the muscle to launch a second and third wave of nuclear attack.

 

What we are not prepared for how ever is Pakistan's attempts over the last 20 years to  weaken India internally by funding ; training and arming terrorist's who do target soft civilian facilities. Isn't it time that we too start doing the same in Sind, Baluchistan and NWFP areas? After all there are no shortages of Pakistani's that are fed up of their own Government isn't it?

 

 

 

HI to All U proud INDIANS ( or shud i say Hindustani's ??? ) sry, just unsure what to call u ( its jst dat u made up of Sooooooo many different religions and languages and colors and heights etc,etc )  im just NOT quite sure what to refer u to as.

 

Anywayz, gettin bak to the subject. Pakistani's Will Always fight to the death ( we r blessed with jihad ), as 4 u ???   i remember wen general zia went to indira gandhi  ( he went to india on the pretence of watching a cricket match, but in reality, the reason of him going was different ) , he with a sly grin told here, dat if 1 indian soldier shud ever step on pak soil, then indian soil will burn for the next 100 yrs.......  WE HAVE THE BOMB...  he grinned... and We WILL use it, make NO mistake about dat!!!  After dat encounter, never in her short future did miss handhi gandhi ever dare raise her voice against pakistan again!!!!!

 

So PLEASE ( brother Indians ). GET OFF ur high horses ( or bulls or whatever u lot worship nowadays ) and get in touch with reality!!!!   There is NO winner!!!

That I think is the critical factor which will turn the tide against Indian army invasion as it can lead to lakhs of voluteers joining the Paki side. The Pakistani military is moulded out of the fact that any army would have high causulties and loss of machinery in case of an invasion and this would prompt any invading force to think twice before embarking on a mission.
Although both countries would not be able to hold parts of the others territory it would lead to a bloody border wars for many years. One good thing abt both countries is that they have never targetted the civilian population centres of the other which is almost unheard of in modern warfare. Neither can India defeat the Pakis descively nor can the Pakis capture or push the Indian forces inside India. It would at the end reach a stalemate where at the end people will die.

 

I agree with most of your arguments, but would like to add that despite having more friends Pakistan is also more despised, even by its friend. Furthermore the Lashkars aren't that important in modern warfare, especially not conventional modern warfare. I also think you overestimate their conventional capability somewhat, they must be a bit low on spare parts with their ongoing chronic economic situation. (That rhymes!)

I think it would take maybe half a year to one year, in my very inexpert opinion, before the Indian army breaks through completely. And Pakistan would use nukes when it comes to that, if not firing at the start into an unoccupied part of the Indian Ocean to show they mean business as they'd be very surprised at being the ones who are attacked.

You analysis was partly right. In the case of air forces pakistan has a slight edge and the Indian Air Force is the achille's heel. On ground troops, Indians have the advantage with numbers and past history would tell you that Pakistan are good at mountainous fighting (because of their obsession with Kashmir) but fare poorly on the vast plains of Punjab or in the deserts of Rajasthan. The Indian armour should be able to beat the Pakistani counterparts. So it seems like a deadlock, but there is one major piece of the jigsaw missing. The NAVY. Pakistan has a very small outdated naval fleet while the Indian Navy is the most modern of all its military wings with a huge coverage that can literally choke pakistani ports. with little economic and fuel supplies, it would be near impossible for Pakistan to CONTINUE fighting. remember, in the subcontinent it is not going to be a year long war, most likely a swift war that'll end in a month. India has the ecnomoic might and supplies to last more than pakistan. that should eventually tip the scales in India's way because without bullets and ammunition the guns are useless. Of course Pakistan would use the nukes on bombay which should be good for India. Because then India would raze Pakistan to the ground or would impose crippling sanctions that would divide pakistan like germany was divided into 2 after world war 2. either way India would emerge as the victorious one unless someone bumbled and goofed along the way.

 Being a patriotic Indian and an ex-army captain it pains me as much in writing this article as it will distress you when you gain the insight to what actually is going on in the Indian Army.Let me start by saying I joined the army as an officer in 2004,alternative for me being a software professional(as I made it to a reputed firm).Despite all the discouraging and words of wisdom from elders, a tsunami of pride swept away all the warnings.After graduating from training I will briefly posted in Gwalior.Right there I saw the first of the mud-holes coming to life.Food was not upto standard and men lacked basic equipments guaranteed to an infantry-man.Jamming substandard INSAS and AK-47 guns in training should have been an eye opener but worst was to come.Getting the food after standing in a queue at lunch and dinner on a plate the men cursed its vile quality instead of thanking the cook But nonetheless "Ï am ready to give my life for my country" spirit kept me on high morale just raring to go in case of a war with our western or northern foe.Thereafter Kashmir came calling. My posting was at Sangarwain, small town west of Srinagar.Skirmishes and encounters during searches were common.Had a few close calls and saw fellow colleagues being slaughtered - mainly due to jamming guns when they assaulted.The terrorists had rarely had their guns jamming(which shud be proof enuf that a jamming guns is not a common occurance).in no time I found myself as a lieutenant.Back in barracks lamblasting the defence ministry for substandard equipments to services to food were common. But we had to keep all that to ourselves as we were treated like dogs by any visiting politician(visiting for votes and not to boost morale-which no one bothered to do).VIP security duty was most important leaving tired and overburdened boys to stand guard at maybe a chowk for 15 hours at a stretch-always on high alert against an attack(Judge how you will deal with such a inhumanly stressful situation).Rations at army canteens(various gadgets and items) were compulsorily of low quality whereas papers showed otherwise(It is like getting a twin frontech speaker while paper is showing you got a Bose 5.1 speaker).Some brigadiers and generals who were involved in acquisitions and procurements were brazenly rich while some who seemed to be stuck at the same rank for a long time were living upto their means.The world laughs when they hear encounter between Indian army and 2-3 holed up terrorists is going on for 48 hours/72 hours(U too must have heard it n number of times in the news).2 reasons for it.One the boys are too scared to go for a kill as they have seen too many young brave lives lost to spurious weapons jamming and grenades not exploding.Two, we are asked to deliberately lengthen the encounter.why? A glance at an after encounter report shows the real deal. If 20 ammo-boxes and 15 grenades are used during the fight the report(prepared by officers who far out-ranked me) claims 200 boxes and 200 grenades.Where the extra money/ammo goes...is anybody's guess.During encounters artificially lasting 2-3 days we get 1 meal or 2 if really lucky.It consists of a dal and chappatis and a few onion maybe.NOTHING ELSE.And i mean nothing else.This is how it looks.The men(who have been putting their lives on the line seconds go) line up at the food van.They at thrown some chappatis and asked to make room for dal.They take off their helmet and take the dal in it.And the saying goes "An Army marches on its stomach".So think how Indian Army marches.Stress is over the roof.Tip toe-ing through a dormitory at night u can find many men silently crying .... crying at the rag of a treatment,not given a vacation because of VIP duty,daily risk to their lives for nothing and apathy of common Indians to it.This misery which are never reported can go on for pages on end but let me take to the final year of my "inglorious"(as the generals put it) service.

      I was a newly promoted captain and went to check an assignment of grenades that arrived.I was astonished at their shapes.They were decades old atleast but labels say newly manufactured and sourced.I put my foot down and marched right into my superior's office but was told that such grievances can only be addressed by someone higher up.Accordingly I took the case to him(sorry i cannot name him).Already skipping rank was an offence but the lives of my men were more important. I was severely told off that I dared question an acquisition. I cowered down at the threat of censure but I shouldn't have!the events the following week would prove the same.

    It was a routing 3 hour max encounter stretched to 2 days at the command of superiors.On third day me and 4 of my men were tasked to storm the first floor where 2 ultras had apparently run out of ammo.3 were already down and so were few of our boys.(note:snipers could have easily taken them out from an bu