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SYSOP
12/13/2014 12:29:41 PM
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keffler25
12/13/2014 3:31:48 PM
The primary weapon against all those Hezbollah rockets is intelligence, diplomacy (with anti-Hezbollah factions in Lebanon) and precision weapons (bombs, missiles and shells).
The point of a defense is to buy time for the offense to get going.
Iron Dome's effectiveness
must be measured by the time it buys for the IDF to go after the Hezbollah rocket supplies and launchers.
To that end the psychological game Hamas and Hezbollah try to play by downrating the actual 85% + Iron Dome PK of threatening impacts, is the SAME game that the ignorant posters use to justify their crowing
that SAMs don't work
, that their favorite pet theory of how air warfare (Ted Polsti et al.) works is the right one, etc.
To say that these so-called analysts have no clue about how interlocking systems and synergies affect each other is rather obvious, but you still have to explain to these cretins, that it is COMBINED ARMS; air, land and sea, that makes it work.
The Iron Dome is not worth a damn without Mossad intelligence and the Israeli F-15 that BOMBS the missile dumps and launch sites where the Hezbollah scum collect and distribute their GRAD rockets. One side effect of Iron Dome is the ballistic computers hooked to the tracking radars. When some Hezzie scum launches a rocket, the whole trajectory parabola is instantly calculated. if you get a counter-missile or LGB onto the launch point, you might get lucky and blow the Hezzie scum up before he clears datum. 90 seconds or less would be about right.
That is what the Iraqis (the scum) learned the HARD way.
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dogberry
12/13/2014 10:44:31 PM
Does the C-RAM phalanx system that was used in Iraq have any use in Israel?
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keffler25
12/15/2014 12:20:32 PM
I don't know that Centurion (Land-based Phalanx from Raytheon) has widespread use, (Israel seems to prefer Iron Dome because of its expanded coverage footprint) but Israel has shown interest in solid state lasers from both Northrop Grumman and Raytheon as they develop their own competing Iron Beam to be mated with GREEN ROCK, a mobile counterbattery detection radar. A laser if it was small, mobile, and cheap enough would be shifted as needed to meet new mortar and short range (small) ballistic bombardment rocket threats, freeing Iron Dome up for the much bigger GRADs.
For them it is an URGENT need.
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Don Vandervelde
Autoretaliation
12/16/2014 1:23:04 AM
Keffler, you've hit the nail on the crux. Inverse "iron dome" systems add-ons will be a game changer. It should be put into immediate use. It will make Lebanese and Gaza "civilians" and others who may be near the rocket launch sites, the blood enemies of the rocket crews and handlers, and thus automatic allies of Israel. Then the Iran ground-to-ground rocket war doctrine will finally fail.
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robbief1
12/16/2014 6:42:20 PM
Hi Keffler
Re "... F-15 that BOMBS the missile dumps and launch sites where the Hezbollah scum collect and distribute their GRAD rockets .. When some Hezzie scum launches a rocket, the whole trajectory parabola is .. calculated. if you get a counter-missile or LGB onto the launch point, you might .. blow the Hezzie scum up .. 90 seconds or less would be about right."
A Hamas tactic is to pre-prepare underground launch sites (in civilian areas), position rockets there the day before, then remotely despatch them, so presumably Hezbollah will copy this.
What do you think of this idea?
Supported by search planes capable of spotting multiple simultaneous attacks, alerting "pilots" who have
dozens of small, armed, remotely - piloted stealth drones*, overhead in Lebanon, ready to shoot rockets down early, over Lebanon, perhaps with smaller missiles than Tamir.
* high up, out of range of most threats, but low enough for counter-attack missile to reach rocket in time.
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keffler25
12/16/2014 7:14:32 PM
A Hamas tactic is to pre-prepare underground launch sites (in civilian areas), position rockets there the day before, then remotely despatch them, so presumably Hezbollah will copy this.
1. Ultimately it didn't work because part of Mossads (and IDF's mission) was to watch for the movement of those idiots as they put rockets into position.
2. There is a truth about solid rocket motor fuel. It tends to degrade (crystallize) over time in a changing environment. So you see all those Russian and American solid fuel rockets (except for Pershings and SCUDs) in weather proof ready to fire cans. Those weather exposed rocket motors have to be checked periodically. That sort of means you will catch the Hezzie idiots doing their proper maintenance checks. That is how most of the Iraqi Scud launchers were found, when the launch crews prepped for firing.
3. You can't assume a timer will work. Somebody has to be present locally to make sure the firing sequence occurs, or all you have is a fused BOMB on an unstable blowtorch ready to blow up the local hospital or madrassa. (Not that the Hammies or Hezzies care, but the idea was to kill Israelis, not their own useful idiot Human shields.)
As for the airborne interceptor scheme? I prefer the INFANTRY house to house to dig those bastards and their missiles out and kill them mercilessly in their hideouts. It's the only sure way, I'm sad to say.
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