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Subject: S-400
usajoe    8/12/2007 11:36:06 PM
The S-400 is intended to intercept and destroy airborne targets at a distance of up to 400 km (250 miles) The ABM capabilities are near the maximum allowed under the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty. The radar system is claimed to possess advanced capabilities against low flying and possibly low RCS targets Detection ranges of 500-600km have been theorized for future radars And also outperformes the Patriot Pac-3. This is what the Russian govt. claims, I think its a little far fetched, what do you gus think.
 
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displacedjim       8/13/2007 12:42:35 AM
After a decade or two of development, they are finally putting in the first battalion near Moscow.  I think it will perform as you listed above  Thankfully, we won't have to find out for at least another 5-10 years until they start exporting it, and even then it will be so expensive that about the only country that will buy it is China.  If/when China does buy some, they will be a significant complication to our defense of Taiwan.
 
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Nichevo       9/1/2007 6:00:10 AM
I repeat, DJ, it seems big enough to target, with AIM-120 or perhaps a HARM type (or AIM-120 in ARM mode).  Perhaps AIM-54 if we still had Tomcats.

If we intended to shoot down coveys of high speed ALCM back in the 80s, why not a couple of SAMs?  We would have the high ground and SA-20 (?) would hardly evade or be stealthy.  Are the rockets not hot enough?  I have heard tell of air-launched PAC-3, would that do?

S-400 is probably great but it smacks of getting 'too big.'

 
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displacedjim       9/1/2007 4:44:33 PM
Well, at long range, like 300km+, I suppose it probably isn't moving too fast anymore.  I'm sure it does have a pretty good size RCS.  It does seem possible that we ought to be able to shoot AMRAAMs at it if a fighter is in the right position near the target of the S-400.
 
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Claymore       9/5/2007 1:54:24 AM
Those mobile Batteries only carry a limited supply of them and they probably are a pain to reload. I heard they keep them to target AWACS. So It would be cost effective to AMRAAM them.
 
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Herald1234       9/5/2007 2:04:27 AM

Those mobile Batteries only carry a limited supply of them and they probably are a pain to reload. I heard they keep them to target AWACS. So It would be cost effective to AMRAAM them.

Why shoot them in the air? Blow the launchers and the radars apart on the ground. Who says we fight fair?
 
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boris the romanian       9/5/2007 11:03:24 AM

Those mobile Batteries only carry a limited supply of them and they probably are a pain to reload. I heard they keep them to target AWACS. So It would be cost effective to AMRAAM them.

AusAirpower, even if it is run by Carlo Kopp, has some pretty nice photos of S-400 launchers with three long-range missiles carried in the standard S-300 fashion, and three short-range missiles in a triple cell located where the fourth missile normally is. Going off that logic, the S-400 battery could be optimised for a wide range of threats depending of the situation.
 
The shorter range missiles, being much smaller, give you a decent persistance (up to twelve per launcher) with an practical engagement range of ~120km as opposed to reduced (four per launcher) persistance for very long range (~300km practical) engagements, but the battery is infinately more flexible than the standard S-300/Patriot launcher configuration.

 
 
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boris the romanian       9/5/2007 11:04:07 AM



Those mobile Batteries only carry a limited supply of them and they probably are a pain to reload. I heard they keep them to target AWACS. So It would be cost effective to AMRAAM them.


Why shoot them in the air? Blow the launchers and the radars apart on the ground. Who says we fight fair?

 

Herald


 



A commander who engages the enemy in a fair fight isn't earning his keep!
 
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displacedjim       9/5/2007 12:33:10 PM



Those mobile Batteries only carry a limited supply of them and they probably are a pain to reload. I heard they keep them to target AWACS. So It would be cost effective to AMRAAM them.


AusAirpower, even if it is run by Carlo Kopp, has some pretty nice photos of S-400 launchers with three long-range missiles carried in the standard S-300 fashion, and three short-range missiles in a triple cell located where the fourth missile normally is. Going off that logic, the S-400 battery could be optimised for a wide range of threats depending of the situation.

 

The shorter range missiles, being much smaller, give you a decent persistance (up to twelve per launcher) with an practical engagement range of ~120km as opposed to reduced (four per launcher) persistance for very long range (~300km practical) engagements, but the battery is infinately more flexible than the standard S-300/Patriot launcher configuration.


 



While I believe you that there were only three in the photo, the S-400 can be configured with a sort of "four-pack" of the smaller 40km and 120km range missiles replacing one of the large missiles.  Thus one possible launcher configuration would be three very long range missiles and four medium or long range missiles.  I think this is actually quite similar in configuration to the Patriot system, which IIRC can replace each of the standard size Patriot II tubes with a four-pack of Patriot III missiles.  With up to 12 launch vehicles per battalion, plus reloads, it could take a little while to run a battalion dry.  Even then, depending on the density of the IADS and just how far away the targets are, a neighboring battalion or two would probably be sharing the load of engaging the long-range targets.  Still, it does seem possible that we could have some capability of defending our high-value assets with a CAP by trying to engage the incoming SAMs.  Maybe in several years we'll get a chance to find out above and east of Taiwan.
 
 
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DarthAmerica    Taiwan Djim?   9/5/2007 1:06:35 PM
Can't we all just get along?
 
 
-DA
 
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5thGuards       9/6/2007 5:11:35 AM
The S-400 is a new generation of anti-aircraft / anti-missile weapon system developed by the Russian Almaz Central Design Bureau.

The S-400 is capable of detecting and destroying targets out to a range of 400km (250 miles), such as aircrafts, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles, including those with a range of 3,500 km.

Sources confirm that the S-400 is capable of detecting and destroying aircraft made with low observable materials such as the American 'stealth' aircraft.

Russia provided Belarus with the same system a short time ago.

The S-400 is so sophisticated and powerful that can change the military balance of a region since it is capable of hitting targets that were previously considered untouchable.

The anti missile system has an unbelievable speed of 4.8 Km per second which is faster than a bullet leaving a Kalashnikov machine gun.








I don't know about the range it probably is what it claims 400km ,
but the speed seems Outstanding , if its true what they claim the speed of the S-400 system is 17.000 km/h which is equal to 13 mach
 
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