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AlbanyRifles RE:Best air defence of all time! 7/7/2003 11:43:57 AM

I believe it would have been the air interdiciton campaign by the 8th Air Force against the Luftwaffe in Spring 1944. Germans put 2 air craft sorties up over the invasion beach. Nothing else got through. However, from gound based AD, I would agree the old USSR had it. Why do you think the US spent so much on Stealth?

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Kodiak RE:Best air defence of all time! 7/7/2003 11:45:39 AM

Yes, the USSR definately had the best GROUND BASED air defense array.

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Soviet Spetsnaz RE:Best air defence of all time! 7/7/2003 8:01:19 PM

The S-400 is the most potent SAM system right now.

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Thomas RE:Best air defence of all time! 7/8/2003 2:44:14 AM

I would say the british at battle of Britain. It was the first integrated air defence with fighters, control and warning (integrating radar and visual observation) and AAA.

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Red Star v.2 RE:Best air defence of all time! 7/8/2003 9:29:14 AM

Is the S-400 in production? Is there a site with info on it?

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Soviet Spetsnaz RE:Best air defence of all time! 7/8/2003 2:38:09 PM

Yes a few are said to be exported to China soon, if not allready. China is getting the finest Russian stuff. Like the Sovremenny Class Destroyer. Allthought many yanks will disagree with that and claim that's propaganda, but If you mean best AD, then its the Serbian AD system. No other nation developed such a AD system that can down stealth aircrafts. Our GRU reports that 3 F-117's have been downed and 1 damaged, the Pentagon confirmed that in fact one was downed and recently released a report that another F-117 was damaged. Pentagon is under huge pressure and they will release more "truth". Serbia's AD systems contained; Buk M-1-2 Tor M1 Kub Systems S-300PMU-2 Colchuga or TAMARA/VERA-E anti-stealth detection system. And a central core system wich collected all data from the huge sensor network over Serbia and the informations sent by Russian satellites. Serbia had Russian spy's working in Italy, Spain and Germany wich forewarned the Serb AD and sent routes and take-off times. You can get general info about the S-400 here; link I've heard about a S-400 system operational in Serbia and wich shot down a B-2, but I don't think its true.

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WinsettZ RE:Best air defence of all time! 7/8/2003 9:10:26 PM

USSR's Air defenses are still number one...followed by Europe. America's concept of Air Defense was using the USAF. Mounting measly Stinger platforms in Hummvees and Bradleys is NOT division air defense. Nor is a large deployable Patriot. I think Europe has some good missiles, but Russia probably still better. Traditionally the "Soviet-Style" military focuses on Infantry, Artillery, Air Defense.

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Thomas RE:Best air defence of all time! 7/9/2003 3:05:53 AM

I agree that the west needs an updated SAM system and AAA is very good against helicopters. The main problem is to operate with fighters, SAM's and AAA in the same airspace at the same time. Syria showed in the Bekaa-valley how NOT to defend airspace. When the Israelies had knocked out their SAMs, THEN they send in the fighters. We have a freindly fire problem here big-time. I think the problem is solveable.

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Red Star v.2 RE:Best air defence of all time! 7/9/2003 10:43:19 AM

Yes, the best air defence includes fighters-like the Viatnamese. Although the miG-21 was inferior to the F-4, in a combination with SA2 it proved remarkabely succesful.

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P-3CrewSTA_6 RE:Best air defence of all time! 7/21/2003 2:25:55 PM

Russia still has the best AD in the world, but AD is great and all but one thing remains: EA-6B Prowler. AD can't shoot what they can't see. Another reason US has Air Supemacy any time it goes into conflict. The US has used Iraq for 11 years as its Russian/French AD testbed. Russia, Ukraine, and France smuggled all their best AD in to see how it would match up against the Prowler. Nothing but smoking holes in the ground. With not even a knockdown for the missile boys. HARM's are nasty little bastard's. Just wait till ICAP III, and the EA-18G Growler. A Prowler's worst enemy is itself (old plane, hard to keep in the air for maint.)

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