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Subject: Help! Military Satellites
DCnitro    11/7/2005 7:43:05 PM
Need some help folks. I'm a screenwriter in Los Angeles, California doing research on military satellites for a film project. I need help understanding the WORST CASE SCENARIO dangers if a terrorist or hostile group got the location and the ability to control our military satellites. In this present day and age, would it still be detrimental to our national security and how? Thanks!
 
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TrustButVerify    RE:Help! Military Satellites   1/18/2006 10:54:56 PM
Given the amount of crypto and specialized systems involved, it would require an intelligence coup several orders of magnitude [i]greater[/i] than the WWII US compromise of Imperial Japanese cryptography.
 
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Galrahn    RE:Help! Military Satellites   1/19/2006 1:22:06 AM
If the terrorists were smart, they would take over commercial versions and accomplish nearly the same thing. Might I suggest going here and looking around. It is the UCS Satellite Database, listing every Satellite in orbit of earth. If you do a bit of research, you will be able to come up with some pretty believable (and thought provoking) scenarios without having to jump into impossible land by taking over military satellites.
 
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gf0012-aust    RE:Help! Military Satellites   1/22/2006 6:06:44 AM
"I need help understanding the WORST CASE SCENARIO dangers if a terrorist or hostile group got the location and the ability to control our military satellites. " given the obvious sensitivities involved with this - I would think that you have got two chances of getting meaningful data and scenarios out of anyone in the know. no offence, but the day you ask for this info from an official source is the day that you end up on someones "watch list"
 
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mustavaris    RE:Help! Military Satellites   3/28/2006 12:42:27 AM
No offence meant but where we have gotten... GF: "no offence, but the day you ask for this info from an official source is the day that you end up on someones "watch list"" Sounds like Glasnost-era Soviet Union, know maaany people who have been there in that time. I understand why, I understand... but it still bothers me. What the h#"Ī is going to happen in so called free west. From personal experience I can tell that it starts to bother you when you have double checks for passport EVERY you cross the borders [why its almost only me who is picked up from the queue?], your luggage is opened EVERY time when you travel by plane and your foreign mail is opened EVERY time when you get something from Eastern Europe or Asia. I am glad that I donīt have tendency to paranoid behaviour. Arge, I am awaiting for the first time to get my ass to US... literally.
 
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gf0012-aust    RE:Help! Military Satellites   3/28/2006 12:49:54 AM
"Sounds like Glasnost-era Soviet Union, " I'm not your stereotypical WASP - to the extent that everywhere I go OS and everytime I come home to Oz I get pulled over for a "talk" my view? schitt happens. in fact I've been less hassled by US Customs than anywhere else. go figure - hows that for stuffing up the "stereotype" theories ;)
 
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mustavaris    RE:Help! Military Satellites   3/28/2006 7:02:27 AM
Then there are two of us, but I just donīt like it. I know I got an attitude problem, but still.. Iīd really like to know why I am bothered. I am not against strict security measures, but being an exception and not knowing why is something that really irritates me. What I see, read and experience now reminds a lot of the things I have been told by the people who have lived behind the iron curtain, not the worst years, but the time of Glasnost.
 
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gf0012-aust    off topic - mustavaris   3/28/2006 7:31:58 AM
mustavaris said: Then there are two of us, but I just donīt like it.

Just accept the fact that you're special - thats what mothers usually say. ;)

mustavaris said: I know I got an attitude problem, but still.. Iīd really like to know why I am bothered. I am not against strict security measures, but being an exception and not knowing why is something that really irritates me. What I see, read and experience now reminds a lot of the things I have been told by the people who have lived behind the iron curtain, not the worst years, but the time of Glasnost.

I learnt long ago that its a waste of time getting excited. You just get held up unnecessarily. example. I attended a Naval Conf in Hawai'i and the Immig Officer asked what I was doing. I told him I was attending an Underwater Warfare conf, pulled out my pass and smiled. OTOH, my idiot partner told his Immig Officer that he was on military business and that it was therefore "none of his business". We got held up for 2 hrs because the moron didn't think before speaking. Was I pissed at the TSA people? No. Was I pissed at my off-sider? You betcha. Schitt happens, how much schitt happens depends on how you react to people just doing their jobs. Doing their jobs hasn't deprived me of my liberty to move freely about once they smile and tick the boxes.
 
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mustavaris    RE:off topic - mustavaris   3/28/2006 8:06:03 AM
Well, I have to agree with you, but you know, I am a control-freak and everything I donīt know is viewed as a threat. I donīt lose by nerves with people who just do their job, because I vent the steam out with friends, here on SP and so on:) As a good humble Finn I donīt stand up against the authorities, I swallow my pride and shout at the forest, get drunken and forget about it. And those East European border guards are scary sometimes....
 
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gf0012-aust    off topic - mustavaris   3/28/2006 8:25:29 AM
" And those East European border guards are scary sometimes.... " you should try mainland chinese guards ;) I travelled from Macau to mainland china in the pre handover days. We were told not to change our seating allocation on the return trip otherwise the border guards would get upset. on our return trip, one of the canadians decided to swap seats so as to take photographs. the borderguards went ballistic when they got onboard and did a map count. we were held over for 6 more hours while they counted, recounted, checked paperwork, rechecked paperwork etc etc... some people just don't listen and pay attention. ;)
 
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