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Subject: US air defence not up to standard?
Terrex    11/28/2004 12:59:26 AM
I come across a news in janes website
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The US Army wants to flight test a low-cost anti-cruise missile interceptor meant to complement its current and emerging inventory of air defence systems. US defence officials said Operation 'Iraqi Freedom' showed that the US needs to do more to counter cruise missiles after Iraqi cruise missiles launched into Kuwait early in the conflict were not detected in time to be engaged. Along with efforts to mature overhead surveillance sensors ...
26-Nov-2004
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The missiles used by Iraq r the HY-2 cruise missiles! The missile is design in the 60's and is consider obsolete but able to breach US Air defence in Gulf War 2! I got another link which shows the number of occasion of the missile attack by Iraq and how it happen.
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The link also shows how US air defence is not capable of handling LACM and how US has prioritize development of air defence against LACM.Below is a abstract of from the link admiting US air defence is incapable against LACM.

"DOD has acknowledged its lack of sufficient defense against cruise missile at-tacks, and is taking steps to correct the deficiency. Concurrently, enemies of the United States are also aware of this weakness, and can be expected to exploit it.
The U.S. family of legacy systems to counter the LACM threat is not only inca-pable of handling the threat projected by 2010, it is also completely inadequate to work effectively against even the limited current threat. Even with enhancements to current systems, U.S. forces will not be able to provide a defense sufficient to protect key power projection access facilities such as ports and bases, and vital areas such as forward-based command and control centers."
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It seems US is handicapped against this obsolete but modified cruise missiles. I wondering how US going to stop more advance land and sea cruise missiles from Russian,PLA,Iran and North Korea? If any reader has knowledge of HY-2 missiles,it is a damm bulky missiles compare to Kh-35,C-802,Excoet and many many more which r own by the mention countries.By the way,these few missiles r not the most advance in their categories!
 
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gf0012-aust    RE:US air defence not up to standard?   11/28/2004 1:42:56 AM
Hmm, why do I suspect that this is Aegis masquerading under another UserID??
 
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Terrex    RE:US air defence not up to standard?   11/28/2004 1:58:43 AM
I just trying to bring truth to everybody and break those people myth believing US technology supremacy unlike those criminal who delete other 's people thread cowardly trying to hide the truth!
 
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gf0012-aust    US air defence not up to standard?   11/28/2004 2:18:03 AM
Mate, I deleted your post on the other forum because you were rude and ignorant. When I spend 2 hrs patiently trying to explain things and someone becomes ill mannered - then your posts get deleted. Btw, the other Mods agreed with the action - even though you PM'd one and had a little whinge about it. The Webbie spoke. ;) As for supporting US technical supremacy, in some areas they clearly have it, in some they don't. If you were able to respond logically to the examples I gave, then you wouldn't have ended up in the sin bin. The fact that you failed to understand basic concepts is not something I can help you with. As I said, goto any Janes Weapons Systems publication since 1989 and you'll see the specs in black and white. Rule No:1 Never use abuse as part of your argument - the Mods always win.
 
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Terrex    RE:US air defence not up to standard?   11/28/2004 2:27:16 AM
I have proved US air defence is incapable against LACM in system wise while u keep trying to bring it to a commanding lvl! I provide facts and link while u give assumption and no link to support yr claim! Talking abt abuse,u seems to be the one doing it not me.Abt being rude who use highlighten word in the first place? I nvr write a single vulgar word and personal attack on my thread! Talking abt ignorant,u r the one trying to ignore all the facts and link I provide without giving concrete facts and link to rebuke my thing! Now I'm going to make a personal attack,gf0012-aust! One sentence to sum up all my words,u r not fit to comment impartially on any defence and military forum because of yr pro US supreamcy believe!
 
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gf0012-aust    RE:US air defence not up to standard?   11/28/2004 2:38:08 AM
tut tut aegis... calm down before you give yourself an angina attack. btw I have chinese ancestors.
 
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Terrex    RE:US air defence not up to standard?   11/28/2004 2:40:59 AM
U have already lost yr credibility and nobody will take yr words seriously on any military forum.That's all I have to say! U wish to continue that way or whatever is none of my business!
 
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gf0012-aust    US air defence not up to standard?   11/28/2004 2:52:00 AM
Deary me, you are sounding as though you are on the verge of hysteria. A few facts here, if you have the patience between the current bouts of apoplectic responses, and if you bother to read through any number of threads on this forum, you will notice that I give credit to other countries technologies (and yes my little cherub, even Chinese technologies where warranted, like the Su-27 derivative), so to carry on like a chihuaha and accuse me of only supporting american technology tends to hilight that you are very very new on here and haven't read anything I've posted in the past. Frothing at the mouth via your posts doesn't change the fact that you're failing to understand some basic technical comments, and as such, trying to help you is somewhat of a lost cause. I have extraordinary levels of patience that can be mined for an eternity - but alas, it runs out when the goodwill is exhausted. Before carrying on about my affection for US technology over others (and by this I assume that I don't exhibit the same degree of lustful exuberance for chinese kit) then I suggest you have a little read. However, I do fear that your current failure to understand things in plain english is going to act as an educative delimiter.
 
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DropBear    RE:US air defence not up to standard?   11/28/2004 3:11:10 AM
"Now I'm going to make a personal attack,gf0012-aust! One sentence to sum up all my words,u r not fit to comment impartially on any defence and military forum because of yr pro US supreamcy believe " Them's fightin words!!! ;) .
 
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gf0012-aust    US air defence not up to standard? - drop   11/28/2004 3:20:44 AM
yes, thats me the running dog imperialist flunky! why are people so unkind??
 
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USN-MID    RE:US air defence not up to standard?   11/28/2004 3:25:44 AM
Lol, it's amazing how some people can convey a picture of frothing at the mouth by TYPING. Amazing use of the language, really.
 
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gf0012-aust    US air defence not up to standard? USN-Mid   11/28/2004 3:42:50 AM
yes well, I'm letting the US citizens answer this post as I'm accused of bias to US technology (mainly because I didn't do a handstand over a modified Silkworm) My response on another forum revolved around the fact that the failure of the US to intercept silkworms was based on operational issues rather than technical my logic being that: - the Phalanx is a non intrusive system - it has its own FCS - its designed to operate at a negative angle as well as a positive angle (depressed to high arc range - hence it can pick up incoming at sea level) - that the US could have countered with land based Phalanx as it would have given autonomous fire support, able to be placed on a truck (if necessary) and able to be integrated with land based radar - that the failure to bring an adaptive system into theatre was a command flaw - not a technical inability - as such, the US has had a low level respondent capability since the first day the Phalanx was deployed - and it could be used as a static defence system if people used lateral thinking - That the delimiters of wave clutter on Phalanx would not occur if it was land based all of the above logic failed to be within the comprehension limits of Terrex/Aegis apparently the PLA has the ultimate cruise missile (a modified silkworm) to take out US Forces on land as they can't counter it. he's been frothing at me ever since. I must be up for another "barking dog" award ;)
 
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DropBear    RE: gf   11/28/2004 3:48:42 AM
Need you ask? You should have a darn good look at yourself in a mirror fella!! We have had to put up with your rabid pro-Yankie bluster for far too long. Terrex is a mild mannered, dare I say sweet individual, who wouldn't say boo or disregard your supposed knowledge/expertise in any way shape or form. I hereby call on you to apologise to that nice little poor sap misguided delusional muppet. You have been a very bad bad gf, picking on these poor technologically handicapped types. No more I say, no more!!!!!! ;) .
 
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DropBear    RE:USN-MID   11/28/2004 3:53:42 AM
I agree. I actually berated a chap who had been woffling/naffing about harriers and I told him to "stop running off at the mouth". Only to realise that he was typing, not talking (doh!). The things we put up with in this crazy world. ;) .
 
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gf0012-aust    mea culpa   11/28/2004 3:55:10 AM
I can't help myself, ever since my family came out to "gold mountain" we have been compromised by the seduction of capitalism. ;) I will now go out an alter my CV now that I've been exposed as a technical luddite.... btw sport, how about some technical opinion in here? I can't add anymore to this in case I'm accused of bias... USN-Mid, displacedjim? anyone??
 
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DropBear    RE:mea culpa   11/28/2004 3:58:21 AM
technical advice/opinions?? Aaarrgghhh!!! I don't have a great deal of sources on said topic and being without sources is the AussieG equivalent of being caught mid-wedgie with your pants down! He has me scared and on the run. I am constantly looking over my shoulders to see if his Howitzers are rumbling my way. Yikes!!!!
 
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