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Subject: China threating default on derivatives- an act of war? or shot across the bow?
Le Zookeeper    9/9/2009 9:10:42 PM
600 trillion in derivatives around the world, if China defaults (essentially walks away, and rest of the world follows China) claiming US institutional financial fraud(could that be true? I mean Wall street is honest isn't it?) It will trigger complete collapse of US economy. Surely Wall street and their US government proxies will say China cannot do that , but what can US do to retaliate? War? Highly possible!
 
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YelliChink       9/9/2009 10:45:08 PM
When will you move to China?
 
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Le Zookeeper    yelli   9/10/2009 12:28:09 AM

When will you move to China?

Under these senarios california and  wherever you are will be Chinese new territories. no need to move , ur home lloans maybe secured by chinese banks. its already happening.
 
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YelliChink       9/10/2009 1:41:40 AM


Under these senarios california and  wherever you are will be Chinese new territories. no need to move , ur home lloans maybe secured by chinese banks. its already happening.


Given my knowledge about my own kind, I figure that they would send Han overlord to subjugate other races under your scenario, start with ethnic South Asians. All your property belongs to them.
 
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Le Zookeeper    ylli= what this implies is china is scared of american retaliation-do u read?   9/10/2009 1:47:57 AM





Under these senarios california and  wherever you are will be Chinese new territories. no need to move , ur home lloans maybe secured by chinese banks. its already happening.






Given my knowledge about my own kind, I figure that they would send Han overlord to subjugate other races under your scenario, start with ethnic South Asians. All your property belongs to them.


 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       9/10/2009 3:03:20 PM
China is threatening to do this to all big international banks and financial houses. Beijing is in effect discussing unilaterally canceling all of the debts owed by domestic companies to foreigners.
This would probably kill quite a few big banks and leave most except GS dead or near dead.  GS would be half the company it was.
 
Of course the political and economic ramifications for China would be extensive.  Who wants to do business with a deadbeat nation?
 
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Darth Squirrel       9/15/2009 12:26:19 AM

China is threatening to do this to all big international banks and financial houses. Beijing is in effect discussing unilaterally canceling all of the debts owed by domestic companies to foreigners.


This would probably kill quite a few big banks and leave most except GS dead or near dead.  GS would be half the company it was.

 

Of course the political and economic ramifications for China would be extensive.  Who wants to do business with a deadbeat nation?



Everyone, once China is the only nation that makes anything. 

 
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GLaw    Joking or not?   9/15/2009 12:46:22 AM
When I read these forums, I am often left wondering whether people are joking or are simply ignorant about how the world works.
 
At worst, all that China could do is spur a massive devaluation of the dollar and large decline in US living standards.  Not the end of the world or even America.
 
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Le Zookeeper    Glaw   9/17/2009 7:16:40 PM

When I read these forums, I am often left wondering whether people are joking or are simply ignorant about how the world works.

 

At worst, all that China could do is spur a massive devaluation of the dollar and large decline in US living standards.  Not the end of the world or even America.




I will take ESPN away, i assure u u will squeal.
 
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cwDeici       9/18/2009 1:02:02 AM

600 trillion in derivatives around the world, if China defaults (essentially walks away, and rest of the world follows China) claiming US institutional financial fraud(could that be true? I mean Wall street is honest isn't it?) It will trigger complete collapse of US economy. Surely Wall street and their US government proxies will say China cannot do that , but what can US do to retaliate? War? Highly possible!

I am starting to suspect that you are a moron. Either that or just fond of screaming unlikely tales in different directions.
Our economy is solid, that is billions, not trillions. The US would not go to war over defaulting, it has plenty of economic weapons in its arsenal as well.
 
And of course, this would not profit us either. Our derivatives are worth money.
 
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cwDeici       9/18/2009 1:03:29 AM
It's not the first moronic statement I've read... though occasionally there is some sense.
 
 
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Please send in a comment through the feedback system to have BlueWings banned from the forum for consecutive years of aggrevated flaming, unsubstantiated statements and outright falsities, lowering the quality of this forum consistently and derailing many threads.
 
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cwDeici       9/18/2009 1:04:43 AM



When will you move to China?



Under these senarios california and  wherever you are will be Chinese new territories. no need to move , ur home lloans maybe secured by chinese banks. its already happening.


OK that's it. I'm half-Chinese, not American... and I see you are clearly a retarded French nationalist. You're just ragging on America, you idiot.
Sarkozy at least has some sense, unlike you, and wants closer bonds to America.
 
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cwDeici       9/18/2009 1:07:30 AM



600 trillion in derivatives around the world, if China defaults (essentially walks away, and rest of the world follows China) claiming US institutional financial fraud(could that be true? I mean Wall street is honest isn't it?) It will trigger complete collapse of US economy. Surely Wall street and their US government proxies will say China cannot do that , but what can US do to retaliate? War? Highly possible!



I am starting to suspect that you are a moron. Either that or just fond of screaming unlikely tales in different directions.


Our economy is solid, that is billions, not trillions. The US would not go to war over defaulting, it has plenty of economic weapons in its arsenal as well.

 

And of course, this would not profit us either. Our derivatives are worth money.


That is we have numerous derivates and even more bonds and stocks in other countries, if you were talking about the derivatives we owned (I'm not too good with economic engineering).
Your scenario is laughably insane and discriminating towards the US and relies on a xenoid China with no understanding of consequences.
 
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cwDeici       9/18/2009 1:10:10 AM
Actually... I do wonder whether foreign companies own more of China than the other way around. Might very well be true, despite our protectionism, as we relied on their gif.. *cough*investments for so long.
 
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cwDeici       9/18/2009 1:11:10 AM
Anyway, you're probably just teasing the Americans, and there's a core of truth to your statements, we're catching up with their economic leverage pretty quickly (though we've long to go in some areas and are ahead in others).
 
But it's still a stupid OP.
 
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cwDeici       9/18/2009 1:11:35 AM
LOL, especially the 'own California'... obvious flame.
 
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