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Subject: Chinese Sub Surfaces in NATO Exercise - SURPRISE!
Softwar    11/11/2007 11:03:42 AM
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2007/11/10/chinese_sub_has_us_military_concerned/7525/ U.S. Navy officials are concerned over the unexpected appearance of a Chinese submarine during a major military exercise in the Pacific Ocean. Senior NATO officials said that since the Chinese vessel surfaced in the middle of the recent military exercise, U.S. Navy officials have been shocked by the advanced technology used by their Chinese counterparts, The Daily Mail said Saturday. One official said that based on the ease at which the submarine avoided 12 U.S. warships to surface near a 1,000-foot carrier, Navy officials are reconsidering the potential dangers posed by Chinese subs. While Chinese officials have said the entire incident was a simple coincidence, some U.S. diplomats have accused the vessel of "shadowing" the U.S. fleet during the exercise.
 
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YelliChink       11/11/2007 3:57:43 PM
This is not the first time they deliberately did things like this, but what's the point? Are they trying to deliver a message? Are they just happening to operate in the same area? Are they conducting ELINT/SIGINT operation? Or are they using the excercise to hone their submariners' skill?
 
In other thread, submariners from other allied countries talked about how they feared underwater collision with USN SSNs. This might be the true reason that commie boats chose to surface instead of keeping submerged. Either way, it means that commies are getting used to operate in Japanese waters. This is not a good sign. Maybe it's time to push JMSDF to deploy more submarines to counter commie threat.
 
Also, the way that US DOD tries to find European subs for Taiwan is not working. The best way is to use Taiwan money to fund a US SS program to buy four to six boats. The program is aimed at preserving strategic capability in military operation and technology base, SpecOps, training and intelligence gathering.
 
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Softwar       11/11/2007 7:15:38 PM
The significance of this incident is that it comes on the heels of US Sec. DOD Gates visit where the Chinese promised to be nice, open a hotline and be more open.
 
Yep - they are more open - cruising up on the surface behind the Kitty Hawk during a NATO exercise.
 
This is clearly a signal from the PLA that they intend to play hard ball.
 
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Claymore       11/11/2007 7:45:44 PM
Didn't this happen earlier this year? Same story, everyone is shocked blah blah.

How do we know the USN knew it was there but does not want to show its ASW capability.

 
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YelliChink       11/12/2007 12:57:30 AM

Didn't this happen earlier this year? Same story, everyone is shocked blah blah.

How do we know the USN knew it was there but does not want to show its ASW capability.


This just happened last month during an exercise near Okinawa.
 
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tigertony       11/12/2007 6:36:12 PM
 
   You people just do not understand the value of the almighty $ or Yuan. Well unfortunatly we will learn. And we can thank Russia,Wal-Mart,Clinton, Berger,and our Wal-Mart shoppers. Only the US could turn the worlds largest but grounded Communist State into a real Red Dragon with teeth.
 
 
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paul1970       11/14/2007 5:16:47 PM

 

   You people just do not understand the value of the almighty $ or Yuan. Well unfortunatly we will learn. And we can thank Russia,Wal-Mart,Clinton, Berger,and our Wal-Mart shoppers. Only the US could turn the worlds largest but grounded Communist State into a real Red Dragon with teeth.

 

 

                                                                            tigertony


blimey! something I sort of agree with Tony on....     :-)
don't give suspected future enemies the ability to become realistic enemies..
 
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RaptorZ       11/16/2007 12:22:40 AM
The first time this happened a few months ago....I gave the USN the bene of the doubt and maybe again they're trying to make it seem like we're total n00bs to sub Naval Warfare or that Chinese Subs currently are "DaBomb"...but...good Gawd this makes us look dumb.....I can't think that global embarrassment is worth this guise, though I could be wrong.   Were the Russians that bad that we can't handle the New Naval tactics of the Chinese?  
 
I smell a trap....but I could be wrong.     I'm so mixed on what's goin on here....it just seems we're trying to make them out to be more powerful than they are...pry to continue a project the Navy's heavily invested in and on the choppin blocks, or to build false confidence in Chinese Sub Commanders....if it's not either of those reasons then we're in deep $HIT....i.m.o.
 
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gf0012-aust       11/17/2007 5:35:05 AM
Pulled from Bubbleheads Blog (Bubblehead is an ex-Submariner)  He is basically reinforcing what Galrahn and I have said on other forums.
 
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Tuesday, November 13, 2007

Groundhog Day For Submarine "Breaking" News

Remember the story from last year about the Chinese Song-class submarine surfacing in the vicinity of USS Kitty Hawk? Well, it turns out a reporter from the Daily Mail in the UK did as well (he was probably looking up "what happened this week in history in 2006" in hopes of finding a story he could write quickly), and by the simple technique of saying the event was "recent" he started a blogswarm of fair-to-middlin' proportions. Even UPI picked up the story without adding any embellishing information. While various commenters in the forums -- as well as Vigilis and Galrahn at their own blogs -- have pointed out that the incident came to light in November 2006, the posts at Hot Air and Slashdot are generating lots of discussion (almost 400 comments so far at the last link).

While we're talking about it again, it's worth reiterating the main lessons learned from the whole incident: 1) Any submarine of even modest capabilities can get close to a carrier in peacetime, 2) Any submarine that surfaces near said carrier almost certainly isn't doing it because he wanted to, 3) It's important to give the U.S. Submarine Force more money to help it guard against the Chinese submarine threat, and 4) Submariners are really cool, and you should buy them a beer whenever you see one.
 
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