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Subject: Taiwan UAV
EW3    8/26/2005 9:23:29 PM
Looks like Taiwan continues to develop tools to protect itself. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Taiwan wants to arm tactical UAV Government-controlled CSIST unveils Chung Shyang II mock-up and hopes to develop strike version for military Taiwan?s Chung Shan Institute of Science and Technology (CSIST) has unveiled a new tactical unmanned air vehicle and hopes to develop a strike version of the system for the nation?s military. CSIST unveiled a mock-up of its new UAV ? dubbed the Chung Shyang II ? at the Taipei Aerospace and Defence Technology Exhibition this month. The Taiwanese army and navy have already test flown the tactical UAV design and CSIST says it is talking with private manufacturing companies in Taiwan to produce the system. CSIST declines to provide performance specifications for the Chung Shyang II, which has flown several sorties since 2004, or to discuss its planned combat derivative. However, industry sources say it is trying to design a strike variant with an 800kg (1,760lb) payload, potentially to include an early-warning radar, AGM-114 Hellfire air-to-surface missiles and a new indigenous cruise missile. Sources say Taiwan?s defence ministry seeks to acquire three battalions of combat UAVs within the next five years and must give government-controlled CSIST an opportunity to sell its aircraft before considering any others. However, the army is believed to have shown little interest in domestic UAVs and is more interested in importing more capable systems. But sources say the US government is unlikely to approve the sale of any of its armed UAVs to Taipei and add that European manufacturers are not interested in Taiwanese sales because of the anticipated opening of the mainland Chinese market. Taiwan has not formally requested UAV purchases, but the US government responded coldly to a recent request from South Korea for Northrop Grumman?s RQ-4 Global Hawk (Flight International, 19-25 July). CSIST began a three-year research project in 2002, resulting in the Chung Shyang I and the upgraded Chung Shyang II, and is testing several prototypes. It says the tactical UAV design can perform surveillance, reconnaissance, target acquisition, artillery spotting and battle damage assessment missions for the military and duties including border/coastal patrol, atmospheric monitoring and aerial photography for government agencies. From: http://www.flightinternational.com/Articles/2005/08/23/Navigation/196/201115/Taiwan+wants+to+arm+tactical+UAV+.html
 
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DarthAmerica    RE:Taiwan UAV   8/26/2005 10:09:31 PM
"Looks like Taiwan continues to develop tools to protect itself." --Way to go Taiwan!!! This is the kind of thing they need to do to show they are serious about their Independance. And with their level of Technical expertise they could be a Japan lite right in China's backyard.
 
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GOP    RE:Taiwan UAV   8/29/2005 7:06:15 PM
Taiwan has a ill-funded but smart Department of Defense. They are investing their money in training and technology, not quantity. Taiwan is moving in the right direction. Cruise missiles, armor, anti-ship missiles, UAV's...now all they need is some Apaches and A-10's, and that Chinese beach landing will make D-Day look like Inchon
 
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EW3    RE:Taiwan UAV   8/29/2005 7:14:37 PM
"Cruise missiles, armor, anti-ship missiles, UAV's...now all they need is some Apaches and A-10's, and that Chinese beach landing will make D-Day look like Inchon" Not buying Apaches, but King Cobras. A-10s would be great, but not sure it's an option. We don't even have enough. Just by more UAVs. They just bought 400 Hellfires. That will mess up anyone's amphibious landing.
 
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YelliChink    RE:Taiwan UAV   8/30/2005 11:45:06 AM
No, we can't hold our beaches from a US amphibious invasion. It is not very hard to hold the beaches from a PLA invasion. But it is our Army that sucks. They are still trained as if they were still in mainland China. With minimum investments like shore defense missle system, short range AD system with 3-5 divisions of light and mechanized infantry, it would be enough for defence on Taiwan and Penghu. The outer ring islands like Matsu and Quimoy are difficult to defend even for the USMC. Systems like Japanese ASM90 truck mount anti-ship missiles and SLAMRAAM will do the job. But it takes guts and insight of chief of ROC Army to transform a largely conscripted army into specilized shore and air defense forces with small number of excellent combined mobile units.
 
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EW3    RE:Taiwan UAV   8/30/2005 12:13:05 PM
The outer ring islands like Matsu and Quimoy will act as trip wires though. They can't be bypassed, they will have to be taken. That becomes an act of war, which could lead to escalation and US intervention. With your new mobile missile systems, you don't need as many troops to put the hurt on any invaders. Figure 3 men can handle a 6 missile launcher, 30 men 10 launchers, taking out up to 60 targets. If the targets are ships, that's very asymetrical. You take out 60 major ships and the party is over. Take out 30 major ships and the assault is over. The idea is to keep them from ever reaching land. A few missile batteries on the Pescadores could take out a lot of the PLAN, and slow down any advances their ships may make.
 
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GOP    RE:Taiwan UAV - EW3   9/1/2005 8:44:40 PM
How many men can 1 ship hold? (60 ships equal what?)
 
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EW3    RE:Taiwan UAV - EW3   9/1/2005 9:56:48 PM
Depends on what type of ship. (not trying to be evasive). Their biggest ships handle about 250 men. What really matters is they have only 33 landing craft. So 60 missiles leaves a few more missiles for the future. Feel free to look at the numbers yourself. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/navy.htm Class Source 1985 1990 1995 2000 2003 2005 2010 2015 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- LPD NEWCON Type ??? - - - - - - 1 2 LST Yuting Type 072 III - - - - 7 10 27 27 LST Yuting Type 072 II - - 1 8 8 8 8 8 LST Yukan Type 072 3 3 5 7 7 7 7 7 LST Shan US LST-1 15 13 13 3 3 3 - -
 
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