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Subject: Confederation of Afghanistan & Pakistan - Inevitable relationship
TopGun    9/8/2006 2:31:36 PM
While Pakistan continues to develop from a young nation to a mature one, after passing through a temultuous history having fought & survived 3 wars with a determined enemy to its east, poverty, a changing world politically/economically, soviet intervention and hostility from neighbooring Afghanistan and more recently Nuclear brinkmanship from India and the war on terror. Pakistan has proven itself to be resilient, determined and very much at the frontline of world affairs, a place which invokes passionate resolve despite the multitude of problems facing it, neighbooring countries and the region as a whole. Many Political analysts, Afghans and Pakistani's have discussed the possibility of forming a confederation btw the two nations of Afghanitan & Pakistan. Initially, the two nations would function under considerable autonomy, sharing only security, monetary and trade relations(already existent) and later on, as relations solidify and improve, there can be greater cohesion by unifying the polical structure of these two nations. There will no doubt be many hurdles on the way from pressure groups in both Pakistan & Afghanistan, but the idea of Afghanistan and Pakistan as united countries is not so far fetched and is a natural sequelae of the region vis-a-vis current patterns of orientation, trade links, population movement, historical/cultural/linguistic spheres and public sentiment. If one reads through history, you'll find that the modern lands of Pakistan where infact 'Afghanistan' just a few hundred years ago prior to British occupation. In fact, the modern nation state of Afghanistan created by Shah Abdali consisted of all of modern day Afghanistan, and all of modern day Pakistan(including every province in it:Balochistan, SIndh, Punjab, Kashmir). Coincidently, the current Pakistan India border used to be the ancient border with Afghanistan. I refer you to the following link from an Afghan site which shows a map during the time of Abdali---> Afghan-web.com/history.empire.html http://www.afghan-web.com/history/empire.html WHile Pakistan has surplus foods and is an established rising economic/regional power it suffers from a lack of natural resources and dominance of certain ethnic groups(mainly Punjabi who make up 46% of population, with the pushtuns in 2nd place @ 18%) and a minority of muslim refugees known as muhajir who came from India at the time of independence and were disproportionately represented in the countries services despite being less than 6% of the population. In AFghanistan, the country suffers from severe food shortages, is landlocked, yet does contain many natural resources. Afghanistan also suffers bitter ethnic rivalry between the Pushtuns (about 40% of the population) and Tajiks(@ 27%) an urbanized, educated and elite group with both showing varying antagonism towards other smaller groups such as the Hazaras, Turkomen etc.... Union/Confederation of Pakistan and Afghanistan would help these two former 'Afghan Domains' compliment each other, help create a healthy & equitable balance between ethnic groups in both countries and return these two countries to their original culturo/linguistic borders. Many of the inherent difficulties the two nations currenly suffer would in part be shared by the other half so to speak. Also, such a confederation would be a country of enormous potential, resources and strenght in the region bringing along with it, stability, growth and prosperity to the entire region. It would also be by defunct a nuclear power and have considerable resources at its disposal. Political analyst have always stated that such a state is and most likely will be enivatable in the near future but the issue is not of if& how this will happen but rather of when it will happen!
 
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TopGun    sorry about the link!   9/8/2006 2:33:22 PM
for some reason the link didnt come through so here it is again.  its afghan-web.com/history/empire.html
 
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olive greens       9/9/2006 2:33:26 PM

"If one reads through history, you'll find that the modern lands of Pakistan where infact 'Afghanistan' just a few hundred years ago prior to British occupation."

But one is a honest reader of history they would find it to be eminently false! The political break-down of Pakistan before the British occupation was as follows:


#1 Punjab – Sikh Empire of Maharaja Ranjit Singh (annexed, partially redistributed among smaller Sikh, Punjabi Muslim and Dogra powers).


#2 Pakistani-Occupied-Kashmir – Sikh Empire (governed by Gulab Singh Dogra)


#3 Upper Sindh – Sikh Empire (direct rule from Lahore)


#4 Lower Sindh – Amirs of the Sindh (40-odd feudal families) Actually annexed before other parts of Pakistan.


#5 Baluchistan – Amirs (direct feudatories of the British, or indirectly via friendly Gulf Sultan).


#6 NWFP – Capital Peshawar and Khyber Pass-entrance under the Sikhs, other parts disputed between Sikhs and the Afghans.


Ahmed Shah Abdali (Durrani, if you prefer) did rule Punjab, Kashmir and NWFP. But not Baluchistan or the Sindh.


And if you were to be really curious about this issue, Afghanistan was disputed territory (ruled fractionally by the strongest of their times) between the Mughals, the Persians and the Uzbegs. Interesting mix if you remember that Mughals and Uzbegs are Turkic, and Persians Iranian; the Pashtun power was brutally suppressed by all parties – the only independent Pashtun political powers were to be found deep in India as a legacy of centuries old invasion (many Pashtuns were high-ranking officials in other's courts – Abdali started off as chief body-guard of Nadir Shah of Persia). Punjabi Muslims were non-entities as political powers (which made them particularly appealing to the British rulers).


 
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olive greens       9/9/2006 2:35:05 PM

It should say "Abdali did rule..." BUT his sons lost out the conquered lands to stronger Sikh powers thereafter.

 
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Europa    Afghan Pak Confederacy   9/18/2006 1:39:10 AM
It would be a good idea for the two to join up with Afghanistan getting the better end of the deal but pakstan no doubt benefitting as well,,,,,,, the two countries share so many  similarities and this type of arrangement would seem to be a natural progression for these 2 neigboors and a fulfillment of history for this region......
I think the main advantage would be that much stability would come out of it.  an interesting post indeed! will be interesting to see if & when this Afghanistani pakstani confederation happens, as it seems inevitable considering that they are both islamic and share ethnic and cultural affinites.
 
 
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Pakistan Power       3/31/2007 6:59:22 PM
This article only scratches the surface of a union which is bound to happen, is alrealy happening and will happen in the near future.
 
oh, and BTW, I think that this olive character is a complete imbicile who can only see the world thru an Indian-centric and perverted vision.  He seems to be fixated on anything related to Pakistan and feels the need to comment on things which are of no concern to him.  Thank God Pakistan was formed so as to get the hell away from these devious scheming people who are extremely complexed and warped.
 
Anyhow, back to the matter at hand:
Afghans were the true rulers of this side of Asia.  By saying Afghans I mean the original true Afghans which are the Pushtuns and Pukhtuns.  We know this because even in the time of Alexander the area consisted of tribes known as the Pactyes and particularly in my area of Pakistan, the Khyber pass, Alexanders' historian mentions a tribe called the Aphroditus which incidently is my tribe :))))  He also goes on to mention that as his army crossed the Hydaspis (river Jhelum  in modern day Pakistan) and established the eastern garrison post at Sialkot(formerly known as Sakala), a city then also ruled by the Pactyes(pushtuns), his expedition noticed that once the main river was crossed after the city of Sialkot that the nature, characteristics, mannerism, skin colour and racial profile of the people on the eastern flank were completely different.  Incidently, today, that river now demarcates the border between Pakistan and India.
 
History has shown that the region of Pakistan has always had an affinity with Afghanistan and even with Central Asia and the middle east hence why Pakistan is here even today.  Its cultural, trade links have always been towards the west and north.
 
A little about myself, I am Pukhtun from Khyber Agency in Pakistan and though I too feel there is much to work on between the nations of Pakistan and Afghanistan, I see the eventual unification of the two countries as being inevitable.
 
For Afghans and Pakistani to be seperated is unnatural, our future lies together, we can weed out the crack pots in both our countries and install a sense of stability to our two nations.
 
There are now more than 30 million Pushtuns (Afghans) Pakistani (making up the 2nd largest ethnic group in Pakistan) and we are ever so dominating in the Army, politics, business, transportation and the police force amongst other fields. 
 
THis does not include the official 3.5 million (>6 million unofficial) Afghan refugee population in the country who more or less mixed in and intermarried into Pakistan as far afield as in Lahore, Faisalabad, Sukkur, Hyderabad, Kashmir and Karachi.
 
I foresee that within the next 20-30 years that the original 'Gran Afghanistan' will finally be re-united, it is natural and the only way forward for both countries.  Anyone, who doesnt think so, is in a fools paradise, Because until it happens, there will always be a slight imbalance in the affairs of both Afghanistan and Pakistan.  It will also prove beneficial to the surrounding countries as well.
 
AFGHANISTAN AND PAKISTAN ARE ONE.  GRAN DE WATAN
 
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Europa    should make this confederation soon!   3/7/2008 10:31:36 AM
Afghanistan and Pakistan should put aside their differences and work together towards some form of confederation as it would be in their best interest and the region as a whole.
 
One foreseeable problem is the extent of foreign interference in both countries (USA/Saudi in Pakistan) and (India in Afghanistan) who would like to see both countries divided and weakened so they can continue to exploit the countries especially in the case of Afghanistan which seems likely to marred in petty rivalry with neighbooring Pakistan and under foreign influence for another couple hundred years.
 
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