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Subject: Has really the era of BVR arrive?
Terrex    10/18/2004 1:30:45 AM
During the vietnam war,US air force predicted dogfight was useless and not neccessary.BVR is the new hip with their semi-guided Sparrow air to air missile reign,then after a few incident of mis-hit of friendly aircraft.US air force change ROE requiring their pilot to identify the aircraft before shooting! Sparrow becomes useless and Sidewinder becomes the main weapon but sidewinder still cannot replace machine gun in some v close situation. But with recent,emphasize of BVR weapon and using advance technology of identifying foe or friend.Is dogfight outdated? So enemy aircraft once detected on radar,they just lock on and shoot?
 
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Yimmy    RE:Galderio-Terrex   10/20/2004 4:53:12 PM
So, your suggesting that the type of aircraft past the F22, will be far smaller stealth jets, like a stealthy Gnat perhaps, armed with short range missiles only? Due to the uselessnes of BVR??
 
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french stratege    RE:Galderio-Terrex   10/20/2004 4:53:26 PM
We will see if BVR work above 30 km with the new generation!
 
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fullamongo    RE:Galderio-Terrex   10/20/2004 5:05:39 PM
could irst track a b-2 with its low thermal signiture? i doubt it. imagine applying that tech to an aircraft a tenth of the size? The next generation sensor suite: A telescope ;-)
 
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french stratege    RE:Galderio-Terrex   10/20/2004 5:10:39 PM
With full spectrum stealth technology (possible with cold plasma) and active defense (IR seeker blinder or EW pulse anti EW seekers), we will maybe have ACLOS 30 km range missiles or missiles with multispectrum autodirector or laser gun or rail gun.I don't think plane would be lighter because of systems and range .
 
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french stratege    RE:Galderio-Terrex   10/20/2004 5:12:59 PM
B2 is not stealth against top IRST in a 50 km range.
 
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french stratege    RE:Galderio-Terrex   10/20/2004 5:15:07 PM
Moreover B2 technology is not applicable to a supersonic fighter because low by passs ratio for engine is mandatory for supersonic fighters.
 
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fullamongo    RE:Galderio-Terrex   10/20/2004 5:24:17 PM
Is annyone fitting irst to a SAM system? i'd imagine there would be a big market for a SAM that could bring down a B-2. Iran, for instance.
 
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Yimmy    RE:Galderio-Terrex   10/20/2004 5:27:30 PM
I really can imagine nations deciding that F22 type aircraft are far too expensive, and building stealth Gnats. :D Think about it, an aircraft as small as that, powered by say, a lone Eurofighter Typhoon engine, with a small ranging radar and IRST sensor in the nose, and say 6 hardpoints mounting extra fuel tanks or a missile like Python 5. Would be deadly if controlled by AWACS, the enemy would have a hard time detecting such a target..
 
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fullamongo    RE:Galderio-Terrex   10/20/2004 5:29:18 PM
Sounds like what the grippen should've been.
 
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french stratege    RE:Galderio-Terrex   10/20/2004 5:32:07 PM
You mean a more stealth Grippen! By the way we will see if the Rafale F3/4 with its active cancellation technology plus less than 0.1 sqm RCS and IRST/mica-IR medium range missile works well against F22.
 
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