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Subject: Niger Buys A Spy Plane
SYSOP    12/16/2014 6:12:25 AM
 
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HR    What kind of plane?   12/16/2014 2:05:18 PM
 
Purchases from the USA of certain types of technologies require the sale to be "approved" by congress. This sale seem to have been too silent to have been one of ours. At least that is my opinion.
 
On the other hand we are there as well as other European allies and the Niger military is seeing how we use these air crafts so they might be buying something they have seen working. Then that could be one of ours after all. But maybe it could have been an European aircraft too.
 
This is going to be interesting. I hope they did not go Chinese.
 
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keffler25       12/16/2014 2:13:41 PM
Where's the vaunted Textron Scorpion in all of this? Nowhere. ROTFLMAO.
 
Back on topic. This is the plane Niger bought, outfitted with the best FRENCH and ITALIAN surveillance gear they could obtain.  
 
I once noted that Finnmeccanica (Alennia) was probably the best airplane maker in Europe. The Niger government were very cagey with their choices and the US did not really offer top of the line US tech. Notice that it was NOT American gear Niger finally purchased. Wonder why that is? Poor country with a corrupt government that cannot afford a one off of a very expensive solution when Niger actually needs TWO or three less expensive versions for it to make any military sense to buy for available coverage? Might be politics you know?    
 
China wants a look at current Western CSIR systems and this would be the way to do it. 
 
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keffler25       12/16/2014 2:39:34 PM
Oh but they did. Where do you think the MONEY for it came?
 
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HR    Keffler the LCS expert   12/16/2014 3:12:58 PM
Well... that is what I also speculated. But at the present you really do not know... or do you?
 
So you are saying that your guess is that one of my two guesses might be correct.
 
I do not think Niger needs Chinese money!
 
And now the Tai Air Force is talking to Textron too!
 
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keffler25       12/16/2014 4:51:00 PM
Untruth you wrote. You would have said so if you had originated the thought. Why do you have to LIE? 

Well... that is what I also speculated. But at the present you really do not know... or do you?

 

So you are saying that your guess is that one of my two guesses might be correct.

 

I do not think Niger needs Chinese money!

 

And now the Tai Air Force is talking to Textron too!

 
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HR    Keffler the LCS expert   12/16/2014 5:41:35 PM
All I am saying that your speculation is just that until you can prove it. And this is for your own good as you are now painfully aware of that incredible error you made with the LCS... so you might not want to repeat it here.
 
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keffler25       12/16/2014 5:52:37 PM
My speculation is based on fact and is clearly such... but
YOU LIED, HR.
 
There is a moral and intellectual difference. One that makes me a speculative poster, and you just an immoral internet troll.  
All I am saying that your speculation is just that until you can prove it. And this is for your own good as you are now painfully aware of that incredible error you made with the LCS... so you might not want to repeat it here.

 
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gandalf    Where is the Scorpion?   12/16/2014 9:01:09 PM
Where is the Scorpion you ask?
 
The answer is: it is still under development.
 
You are not likely to see the Scorpion for Niger if their budget is only 13.5M, because while the Scorpion is aiming for a low 20M price range per plane, initial maintenance and support facilities for the first few aircraft are likely to cost at least a several million dollars, all without training costs yet included.
I would expect a modern simulator system would preserve more actual flight hours for actual missions and cost a large fraction of a single airframe.
 
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HR    Gendalf   12/17/2014 9:18:43 AM
All of them good points but Niger has money. They just bought some new helicopters.
 
A problem will be getting authorization to export the aircraft. If you read the articled from this Nigerian general he said it himself... something like this... that killing some civilians is inevitable and acceptable for the greater good and that they are having problems with the USA over that.
 
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HR    Keffler the LCS expert   12/17/2014 9:21:39 AM
Cut and paste is not needed... what I said is already right above your post. I did click your link wich took me where I expected... some place other than proof of what you said.  I smell another of your LCS tales here,,, this time with the aircraft.
 
To me it does make sense that they bought it from some one in Europe. Probably the french. But we will have to wait,,, unless you are an Olympic jumper-to-conclusions like Keffler.
 
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