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Subject: Libyan No Fly Zone
giblets 3/17/2011 6:03:02 PM

Seeing as there does not appear to be a Libyan discussion area (an omission surely?). Thought it would be worth discussing. With the UN currently voting on a no fly zone, and talk of this being led by the EU and contribution by up to 5 arab nations. Who would contribute what? Am sure the RAF could contribute Tornados for the early stage of the process (the SEAD phase), but would like to see the Typhoons involved later. As for teh French, likely to include Rafales? And Arab countries, Saudi with their F-15's or Typhoons (if they are trained up). The UAE could use their block 60's? And surely Egypt would be involved on this one.

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Phaid 3/20/2011 12:03:09 PM

Charles de Gaulle puts to sea:

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Expected to arrive on station mid-day Monday.

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heraldabc Its quite clear... 3/20/2011 12:27:06 PM

Do you think the UK and France are being aggressive against Khadaffi because they want the rebels to reward them with oil contracts?

no, they all ready got them...Gadafi gave it to them years ago..

Check Sarkozy's sagging POLL NUMBERS. Nothing like a little successful colonial war with the allies doing all the heavy lifting, to boost a French politician in popularity when he faces re-election.

Not since Jules Ferry and his criminal war of aggression in Indochina and against the Chinese people in South China (with the twin war criminals Admiral Courbet and Admiral Aube running around at the time slaughtering or advocating the slaughtering of the defenseless.) has such a despicable exercise been undertaken.

For the rest of us.....

Jules Ferry

French colonial policy.

French aggression.

A little taste of the whip.

That son of a dog, after the Germans trashed the French in the Franco-Prussian War (See Napoleon III and his meddling in Spain) was one of a string of French imperialist aggressors who followed a policy of colonial expansion and hunts for glory outside Europe to restore France's trashed international reputation. He needed a boost in the domestic polls at the time.

What happened to Jules Ferry?

By Dec of 1884, eastern French prong took over Mt Liangshan and approached Zhennanguan Pass, at the Sino-Vietnamese border, and sacked the pass on Dec 23rd. In Feb of 1885, Manchu Governor for Guangxi Province fled to Longzhou. To counter French attacks, Manchu government dispatched General Feng Zicai to Longzhou and Zhennanguan Pass. Per Wang Zhonghan, minority peoples, numbering 100 battalions or 50000, joined the anti-French armies. At about 5 kilometer inside of Zhennanguan Pass, Feng Zicai constructed a 1.5 kilometer wall at Guanqianai as well as five batteries on the two ridges overlooking the entry of the mountain ranges. On the early morning of March 23rd 1885, French launched two prong attacks at the eastern ridge and one prong attack at the Guanqianai Wall. French overlook three batteries on the ridge and blasted at the Guanqianai Wall. General Feng Zicai mounted a counter-attack at Zhennanguan Pass. By lat

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Phaid 3/20/2011 12:29:40 PM

U.S. military involvement so far includes Tomahawk strikes, EA-18G providing support to coalition aircraft, strikes by F-15Es and F-16s in the western areas of Libya, and now strikes by AV-8B Harriers from the USS Kearsarge.

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Phaid 3/20/2011 12:30:20 PM

And I left out the airfield strike by 3 B-2s flying directly to/from Whiteman AFB.

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heraldabc More sarcasm. 3/20/2011 12:40:19 PM

U.S. military involvement so far includes Tomahawk strikes, EA-18G providing support to coalition aircraft, strikes by F-15Es and F-16s in the western areas of Libya, and now strikes by AV-8B Harriers from the USS Kearsarge.

Seems like a rather LARGE laying on of US air power hands for a minor nation like Libya.

The EA18Gs also make me wonder where the hell the French are in the SEAD/DEAD mission?

Notice no US carrier, and the rather ostentatious strikes from the USS Kearsage? Looks like the Marines want the F-35 B and are using 'advertising in action.'

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Phaid 3/20/2011 12:49:22 PM

The EA18Gs also make me wonder where the hell the French are in the SEAD/DEAD mission?

Nowhere at this point, so far they are sticking to CAP and tank busting. The CdG is coming with 8 Rafale and 6 SEMs so they may broaden their tasking a bit.

Notice no US carrier, and the rather ostentatious strikes from the USS Kearsage? Looks like the Marines want the F-35 B and are using 'advertising in action.'

There's a lot of me-too-ism in this operation, for sure. The USMC are one example, so are the four Tornados that flew direct to/from Marham to chuck 4 Storm Shadow cruise missiles apiece, in what the British are calling "the longest air raids since Operation Black Buck" (I guess they forgot about all the B-52 and B-2 strikes flown from U.S. soil...).

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Phaid 3/20/2011 12:51:49 PM

Sorry, two Storm Shadow apiece. That's a lot of gas used up just to put eight missiles on target. Clearly a showboat operation.

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Phaid Highway of Death II, Electric Boogaloo 3/20/2011 1:10:14 PM

And here we go with a new Highway of Death:

CNN's Arwa Damon saw the remains of a convoy of at least 70 military vehicles destroyed by multiple airstrikes Sunday, leaving at least five charred bodies, plus twisted tanks and smashed trucks as far as she could see.

Rebels with Damon told her it was a convoy of Libyan troops loyal to Gadhafi coming to attack the rebel capital of Benghazi.

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Coming up next, the Arab League declares the Western air offensive as "excessive" and "having exceeded its UN mandate". Fair and balanced, you heard it here first.

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Santa 3/20/2011 1:10:22 PM

But the French seems to have operated above Libyan airspace with Rafale and Mirage during the first wave of attacks without taking out air defence installations. Doesn't that prove that their SPECTRA seems to be working? Or maybe there just wasn't any air defence systems where they were?

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Phaid 3/20/2011 1:17:46 PM

They were flying over Bengazi which is a rebel-held area.

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