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Subject: F-35 news thread III
jessmo_24    1/12/2011 7:23:24 AM
BF-2s 1st vertical landing. *ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS3ngl1GcaI&feature=player_embedded NAVAIRSYSCOM 10 Jan 2011 "F-35B test aircraft BF-2 accomplishes its first vertical landing and conversion back to normal flight mode at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Maryland. The integrated test team is testing both the STOVL and carrier variants of the F-35 for delivery to the fleet. Video courtesy Lockheed Martin."
 
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LB    No   5/8/2011 11:00:25 AM
No, nobody has any reliable numbers at this point.  The impact of the TBR is still filtering through the system and new estimates for schedule and cost will be released later this year.
 
 
Does anyone have a current RELIABLE estimate of what the flyaway cost of each of the variants of the F-35 will be?

 

In Canada we have our prime minister trying to scam the public by selling them on Parliament's absurd estimate of $70-75 million per plane for the F-35A variant to back up the decision to sole source the contract to LockMart to replace our badly aging CF-18s.

 

I know this is complete BS, so what are the latest estimates on the cost per plane over the span of the production run?


 
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jackjack       5/8/2011 5:42:51 PM
this is what I have read
the canadian urf / unit recuring flyaway is going to be around 75m
the australian urf is also priced around 75m
israel hasnt released a urf price but has a total 132m price
the on a runway in can, aus, israel in apuc/ average procurement unit cost is going to be about 140m
 
if you want to read about the canadian prices, there are a few links on this page
 
h*tp://www.forces.gc.ca/site/pri/2/pro-pro/ngfc-eng.asp
 
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jessmo_24       5/13/2011 1:06:42 PM
F-35A may need mods to fix range shortfall

An internal report predicts the Lockheed Martin F-35A conventional take-off and landing (CTOL) variant is falling short on a key performance requirement, forcing programme officials to consider a range of aircraft modifications to fix the problem.

Combat radius, the maximum distance of an out-bound leg with a full load of weapons and fuel, has dropped to 1,080km (584nm) for the F-35A, according to a leaked copy of the 2010 F-35 selection acquisition report (SAR).

That falls slightly below the specification for a minimum combat radius of 1,091km, one of seven mandatory ?key performance parameters? that apply to the CTOL variant, the 31 December report states.

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The SAR report shows combat radius for the other two F-35 variants has also declined, but remain above the threshold mandated by Lockheed's development contract.

The CTOL variant was originally expected to exceed the minimum combat radius by 185km, flying almost 1,280km one-way before needing to return to base or refuel in-flight.

But the number has been falling for several years and dropped by 41.8km this year based on a set of new assumptions.

The F-35's propulsion and avionics are running at higher temperatures than expected. To compensate, more bleed air from the Pratt & Whitney F135 engine is used for cooling, but this reduced propulsion efficiency and shortened range by 19.3km, according to sources familiar with the design issues. Another 16.1km of range was lost by new estimates about the aircraft's actual fuel capacity. Finally, the weight and drag of the aircraft's electro-optical targeting system was factored into the F-35's performance calculations, further reducing range by 6.4km.

As a result, the programme office is considering ?realistic aircraft modifications to add fuel capacity? in an effort to meet the requirement, according to the SAR report.

One simple change under review is a software tweak that would maximise the amount of fuel taken onboard during in-flight refuelling. Another relatively simple fix is to raise shut-off valves higher inside the fuel tank to create slightly more capacity, a source said, adding: "That gets you back a lot of the fuel that you need to recover" to meet the range mandated by the contract.

A more complex solution also being considered is to install new fuel tanks in a small number of hollow spaces within the aircraft's structure.

But programme officials are also debating whether to change how the range of the F-35A is calculated, the source said. The equation does not include a buffer margin of 5% of fuel capacity, which is intended to be preserved through the end of the flight test period in 2
 
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Phaid       5/17/2011 10:24:46 AM
The JSF immediately leapt to mind when I saw this:
 
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RedParadize       5/17/2011 11:58:26 AM
hahaha nice one Phaid. 
 
Regarding the JSF. I am bouncing form doubt to confident feeling periodically. I guess that make me stupid/smart periodically or simply bipolar lol. Given the limited access to reliable information we have its probably normal. But I am sometimes wondering how insider feel about the JSF program, I would not be surprise to learn that the bouncing between the two extreme too after each success and failure/delays.
 
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Eliendhal       9/9/2011 1:35:50 PM
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ht*p://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2011/09/can-a-new-structural-crack-sug.html
 
"When an aluminium alloy bulkhead inside the Lockheed Martin F-35B cracked last year after just 1,600h of durability tests, the programme was caught by surprise. Lockheed's analysis had not predicted the 496 bulkhead would buckle before the end of the 16,000h-long durability exam.
A year later, the programme claims to have made some progress.
Unfortunately the airframe structure is still not immune from early cracking, but this time Lockheed was not caught by surprise.
Lockheed's analysis predicted root rib forgings in each wing for the F-35A and F-35B also would fail, and they actually survived slightly longer than expected, the programme office says. The root rib actually succumbed after about 2,800h of the 16,000h durability test.  Lockheed had already designed a fix to install in the next lot of low-rate initial production (LRIP)."
 
Some didn 't do their homework and that from the begining . After all the c0ck ups , now it is strutural . Good job , not .
So , they "say" that they designed a "fix" ? Should we start crying now or we wait a bit ?
They can 't even reach 20% of the life expectancy ...
 
 
 
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jessmo_24       3/15/2015 4:34:48 AM
New updates:
 
 

PENTAGON: The F-35‘s highly sensitive sensors suffer a basic problem right now: They often aren’t sure what they are detecting. That results in a high rate of false alarms. The key to fixing this lies in building highly complex data files — what we can colloquially call the threat library — and integrating them with the Joint Strike Fighter‘s software.

“I think the probably the biggest concern is with these mission data files [threat library],” Maj. Gen. Jeffrey Harrigian told me in his first interview since being named at the end of January to coordinate procurement and integration of the F-35A into the Air Force. “With any detection systems, it’s always a chore to work through what the sensor is actually seeing.”

Creating those threat files is complex enough. The data on missile launches, frequencies, opponents’ weapons and their sensors come from the Intelligence Community (IC). The Office of Secretary of Defense’s Intelligence Mission Data Center gathers the data from across the IC. A lab at Nellis Air Force Base turns that information into threat data for the Air Force’s weapons.

The Air Force civilian who handles F-35A integration, Thomas Lawhead, said the missile warning data fusion for the F-35 “is still a little too sensitive.” An Air Force officer involved with the building of the threat library told me recently that most of it is still being built and much of the combination of the plane’s fusion software and threat information won’t be ready until close to Air Force IOC.

But Harrigian several times told me calmly variations on this: “I’m very confident we are going to get to IOC on time.”

In his 2014 annual report, the director of Operational Test and Evaluation described the sensors this way: “fusion of information from own-ship sensors, as well as fusion of information from off-board sensors is still deficient. The Distributed Aperture System continues to exhibit high false-alarm rates and false target tracks, and poor stability performance, even in later versions of software.”

Full integration of the threats and the aircraft software won’t occur until close to Full Operational Capability, in part because it takes time for pilots, intelligence analysts and the plane’s builder — Lockheed Martin — to figure out exactly what the sensors are capable of and how the software should be redesigned to do the best job of taking the sensors information and the threat information and helping them work together.

In part, that’s because the F-35 gathers so much more data through its array of sensors than does its fifth generation cousin, the F-22.

 

 
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jessmo_24    ??   3/15/2015 5:37:27 AM
Can anyone answer, how many aircraft, it took during the late 80s- the cold war up to ODS, to do the things they are trying to do, on this single fighter?
 
 
 
1. Threat library/ classification
2. RED /blue force classification
3. Detection of launch, track (MAWS)
4. Triangulate launch position
5. Triangulate emmiter, auto Jam
6. Put information off board, to another shooter
7. And lastly do this all while possibly doing BFM or putting bombs on target
How is it we have the systems being over loaded but, the meatball in the seat isnt over loaded.
 
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Reactive       3/15/2015 7:19:13 AM
Automation, quite simply software has taken over many of the roles that previously required skilled machine operators, the reason this hasn't resulted in an unmanageable increase in pilot workload is due to the expansive ability of software to manage complex tasks (including flying the plane) combined with progress in the ergonomics of displays, sensors (fusion) so that the issue instead becomes that of whether the role of pilot is essentially fundamentally changing from those skilled and capable of managing and maneuvering complex machinery to those who are essentially tacticians. 
 
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keffler25       3/15/2015 8:25:05 AM
Most of the tasks involved are sense and react operators that ultimately arrive at the Human being. It used to be broken down into Human managed steps that required data manipulation at each step to arrive at a result. 
 
I think of it as a physics problem where you try to simplify the information pathways and streams to the pilot to the essential core elements---> this is reduce it to this is your situation at a glance, with these predictable outcomes. Pick one.     
 
Sort of like the amplituhedron is proving to be to the Feynman diagram now.
 
 
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