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Subject: F-35 news thread III
jessmo_24    1/12/2011 7:23:24 AM
BF-2s 1st vertical landing. *ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS3ngl1GcaI&feature=player_embedded NAVAIRSYSCOM 10 Jan 2011 "F-35B test aircraft BF-2 accomplishes its first vertical landing and conversion back to normal flight mode at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Maryland. The integrated test team is testing both the STOVL and carrier variants of the F-35 for delivery to the fleet. Video courtesy Lockheed Martin."
 
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jessmo_24       6/27/2015 4:39:21 AM
F-35 block 2
 
F135 Block Upgrade
Programme: Block 2

Pratt & Whitney’s proposed Block 2 upgrades for the F135 would be more complex than those in Block 1. The manufacturer can see a potential path by which it could introduce into the F135 engine, for production from the early 2020s, some of the advanced technologies it has developed for the compressor and turbine in its high-pressure AETD core.
The F135 has the same dimensions as the AETD demonstrator upon which P&W is now working. But while that is a three-stream engine, at this juncture P&W does not view redesigning the F135 into a three-stream, adaptive-cycle engine – which may be theoretically possible.

However, Kenyon said there is an “exciting opportunity we’ve identified, which is unique to Pratt & Whitney’s position, to take some of the key technologies of the three-stream AETD architecture into the F135 to get lots of benefits”.
This opportunity could rely on a potential evolution of the company’s engine-control software for its AETD demonstrator.
Kenyon said: “For example, if you can modulate the [existing] bleed air using the three-stream control laws, rather than using an actual third stream of air,” this could produce substantial benefits from an enhanced capability to use cooling air flexibly at different places in the engine’s hot section. “The trade is really around the re-use of current learning,” he said.
In addition to incorporating a series of AETD- derived hardware and software upgrades, as well as other cooling and design technologies,a future Block 2 upgrade of the F135 might also incorporate the improvements already provided under Block 1. P&W isn’t sure yet of the scale of the fuel-burn reduction and thrust increase a Block 2 upgrade would offer, but they would certainly be more substantial than those provided in Block 1. It’s possible Block 2 modifications could produce benefits even greater than the AFRL’s AETD project targets of a 25% fuel-burn improvement and 10% thrust increase over today’s F135 engine.
The future of adaptive-cycle engines for US fighters, and even the future development of the existing F135, relies greatly upon Congress approving President Obama’s AETP budget request. If approval comes at all, it will likely come this year. Pratt & Whitney is now beginning to flesh out a two-pronged strategy to try to retain its dominant position in current- generation US fighters and win a prominent position on US next-generation fighters. It will hope Congressional approval for AETP is prompt and generous – and that the AFRL likes P&W’s AETD design.




https://www.scribd.com/doc/269303020/AIR-US-NG
 
Can the F-35 air frame even handle such engine growth? I heared that FULL AD would burn the tail section some years ago. 51K Lbs of thrust ( Im hoping he means dry) would put the F-35 firmly in the supercruising mach 1.5 class.
 
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keffler25       6/27/2015 12:11:52 PM
It can.
 
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jessmo_24    F-35 Spear, and Meteor   6/28/2015 5:44:21 AM
F-35 Spear, and Meteor
 
 
 
MBDA SPEAR 3 missile would bring true anti-ship capabilities to RAF and FAA F-35s
22 Jul 2014

"...According to MBDA, recent conflicts have demonstrated the need for precision strike weapons that can operate night and day in all weather conditions against severe countermeasures and importantly attack moving and manoeuvering targets. Powered by a turbojet engine, SPEAR has the beyond horizon reach to ensure that the aircraft remains safely away from hostile air defence units.

SPEAR is equipped with the latest generation precision effects warhead, designed to meet the demands of the future combat mission. This next generation air launched Surface Attack Weapon reduces the numbers of different weapons within inventory while also extending the operator’s ability to engage mobile, fleeting and re-locatable targets far beyond the horizon.

Fitted with the latest generation multi sensor seeker designed to operate in all combat conditions and to be able to engage a wide range of target types both on land and sea. SPEAR is effective against:
• Naval vessels
• Air Defence Units
• Defended structures
• Ballistic Missile launchers
• Fast moving and manoeuvering vehicles
• Main Battle Tanks, Self-Propelled Guns, Armoured Personnel Carriers...

...This 80 kg mini-cruise missile can be launched even when not facing the target (differently from SDB) and with more freedom regardless of launch height and weather conditions that affect gliding. The weapon is to be able to engage fixed and mobile targets alike, with a data link enabling post-launch control and retargeting. The propulsion is also fundamental in order to achieve the range of at least 100 km that the British MOD wants. SDB is a 45 nautical miles glide weapon, while the UK MOD and MBDA believe they can achieve north of 62 nautical miles for SPEAR....

...Despite its subsonic speed and relatively small warhead (for anti-ship role) a single F-35 could theoretically launch a saturating attack of 8 missiles against a surface vessel...."

http://www.navyrecognition.com/images/s ... ough_2.jpg

Source: http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... f-35s.html
 
 
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jessmo_24       6/28/2015 6:13:22 AM
That is an incredibly lethal weapons load.
 
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keffler25       6/28/2015 11:46:14 AM
Looks like speed boat hunting is in season.
 
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jessmo_24       7/8/2015 6:19:42 AM



Caps taking off at times with full internal and external missile loads. Jumping on In coming Su-27s or simply locking  and firing enough to Mission kill the heavy bomb loaded ones. If this is a bad idea, please correct me. And show me how in a war game the red force would stop this.

 


Simple. 2nd Artillery Corps.  Once we ride that out, if we survive it, then it will be our turn, and the Chinese are not prepared for that. But then I did say the Chinese (military) are incredibly stupid.       

 

 I await your answer with baited breath.

 


 See above.  


Keff, The Marines seem to be leaning twoard my concept of distributed basing ( esoterics you called it?)

Better Defenses Change Nature of Precision Strike Warfare
29 Jun 2015  Christopher P. Cavas

"...Long-range, 2,600-mile strike missions in turn lead to opportunities for cluster basing, Clark said, referring to a US Air Force concept of airfields located close enough to provide mutual air and missile defenses.

Another approach involves operating ship-based US Marine Corps F-35B short-takeoff/vertical landing (STOVL) joint strike fighters from small, expeditionary airfields, relocating those forces every few days. STOVL fighters could also take advantage of small forward air refueling points for further dispersed operations. [Do Not Tell BS]

Problems with cluster basing or distributed STOVL operations, Clark said, include more complex logistics to support more bases, and command and control of dispersed forces in degraded communications environments.

Gunzinger and Clark also offered up a tunneling concept, where stealth platforms such as submarines or stealth bombers move in to deliver large numbers of small, short-range decoys and inexpensive PGMs that would temporarily deplete an enemy's defenses. More effective PGMs carried by less stealthy platforms could then swarm in to deliver strikes before an enemy can recover.

"We need to look at both kinds of PGMs — expensive and cheap," Clark urged, noting that approach "is not something DoD does well."

The chief challenge with the tunneling concept, Clark said, would be coordinating strike operations across a variety of platforms, domains and individual weapons...."

Source: http://www.defensenews.com/story/defens ... /29334345/
 
 
Only in this case They arnt trying to hide the Basing on Taiwan or the Philiines.
They are discussing using a forward base only to fuel and reload, while keeping the seabase behind a picket.
Could this work or is this more dangerous than bunking the planes down on an island?
Your are correct in your impressions earlier, of China being stupid. You have a clear path to being a super power.
But your pissing off the entire neighborhood, and have few friends. You threaten people with nukes, but dont even have a 2nd strike system firming in place. A Nuclear exchange between China, and the U.S. isnt Mutually assured destruction. They dont have enough weapons for that.

 


 
 
 
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Yimmy       7/8/2015 9:54:57 AM
A selling point of the RAF strike/CAS Harriers was their ability to be based out of wood blocks and car parks etc.  But, I can't really imagine it working in practice during war.
 
In the Falklands conflict Harrier came to operate from the beach-head.  So S/VTOL aircraft do have advantages in this area.  But, small detachments operating out of LZs seems a bit far fetched for logistics and policing away things that can get sucked into expensive engines etc.
 
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jessmo_24       7/24/2015 3:28:26 AM



The 34th Fighter Squadron -- affectionately known as the Rude Rams -- was reactivated at Hill Friday afternoon, marking the beginning of the F-35's combat era for both the 388th and 419th Fighter Wings. The fighter squadron is a historic one, with a past that can be traced back to Word War II and includes participation in conflicts from Vietnam and the first Gulf War to Iraq and Afghanistan, post Sept. 11, 2001.

The squadron was mothballed as an F-16 unit in 2010 as part of an Air Force restructuring plan to retire planes and save money, but it returns to accommodate the F-16's replacement, becoming the first operational Air Force unit to fly combat-coded F-35s.

Col. David B. Lyons, current 388th commander and former commander of the 34th, said the reactivation is one of the highlights of his career. He led the squadron when it was deactivated in 2010.

"This has got to be one of the finest days of my military career," he said. "To see this squadron shut down in 2010 was heartbreaking, but somebody, somewhere had the good sense to bring it back to duty."

Lt. Col. George Watkins, new commander of the squadron, said that while the first operational F-35 is not slated to arrive at the base until September, the new squadron shouldn't have trouble keeping busy until then.

The first group of F-35 maintainers, which will make up the 34th Aircraft Maintenance Unit, have been at Hill for two months, completing mostly administrative work critical to the upcoming aircraft transition.

Watkins said the airmen have been writing programs on how the unit will maintain the F-35 in peace and wartime scenarios and have created a flying-hours program that includes directives for training, off-station sorties, contingency scenarios, local flying, and any major modifications to the aircraft.

"There a lot of work to be done before we get that first jet," Watkins said.

The initial group of F-35 maintainers from the 419th are in training, and the first 419th pilot to fly the F-35 will beginning training this fall.

When the F-35s begin to arrive at Hill, they'll be divided among three fighter squadrons and flown and maintained by members of both the 388th and its reserve component 419th Fighter Wing.
More at the Jump. marines IOc incoming
 
 
 
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jessmo_24       7/24/2015 3:31:05 AM
F-35 fires gun for 1st time. Gun testing
 
 
The F-35’s GAU-22/A 25mm cannon has been tested on the ground at Edwards Air Force Base, with the General Dynamics-designed weapon having been developed for both internal and external gun systems of the Joint Strike Fighter. The cannon is mounted on an external pod for the F-35B and C variants, with the Air Force’s F-35A variant positioning the weapon internally. The four-barrel system allows the fighter to let loose just 180 rounds per reload, allowing for three short passes at best, or a total of 2.57 seconds of firing at maximum rate. That last problem featured heavily in criticism of the Air Force for floating the idea – since backtracked – that the F-35A could serve as the main ground forces protection platform. The Marines use the same cannon in their Harriers, but stock 300 rounds in the starboard pod. The program has been busy testing other weapons in recent weeks, including the Marines testing live JDAM bombs in early July. The Pentagon has been mulling what to include in future F-35 weapon tranches, with options including the Small Diameter Bomb II and Joint Strike Missile, as well as several others.
 
 
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jessmo_24       7/24/2015 3:54:11 AM
AF-2, a highly modified flight sciences aircraft, underwent four months of instrumentation modifications and had a line production gun installed for this project.

Tiffany Krogstad, Lockheed Martin AF-2 flight test engineer, said that the AF-2 is normally a "scientist aircraft" executing loads and buffet testing.

"[AF-2] is the only aircraft in the world that can get us this data," said Rollins. "It's been highly instrumented in order to get us the information we need to proceed to the next test point and ultimately to get the gun to its full envelope."

As the test conductor, Krogstad and her team are monitoring the gun's performance and ensuring all the systems work as designed. She is especially concerned with making sure the jet can withstand the loads of a firing gun and the gun operates as expected. Since AF-2 is a flight sciences aircraft, it does not have all the missionized systems of full-line production aircraft. The gun will be further tested with a line production jet sometime next year for full integration.
Note this is the same flight sciences plane, that David Axe claimed cant dogfight. Its a highly modified load test plane. I woudl suggest we boycott War is boring
 
 
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