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Subject: F-35 news thread III
jessmo_24    1/12/2011 7:23:24 AM
BF-2s 1st vertical landing. *ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS3ngl1GcaI&feature=player_embedded NAVAIRSYSCOM 10 Jan 2011 "F-35B test aircraft BF-2 accomplishes its first vertical landing and conversion back to normal flight mode at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Maryland. The integrated test team is testing both the STOVL and carrier variants of the F-35 for delivery to the fleet. Video courtesy Lockheed Martin."
 
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HR    Keffler   4/28/2015 11:45:54 AM
It is really sad to see a human being so defenseless in his arguments reach out and use the flimsiest of arguments to try to maintain his status... and calling names... the hallmark of poorly educated. There is nothing to it Keffler... you where just not aware that the F-15E was developed to replace the F-111. There is no crime to a little ignorance like that. Just move on.
 
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keffler25       4/28/2015 2:12:09 PM
Called it. The liar responded exactly as I predicted. 
 
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keffler25       4/28/2015 2:22:00 PM
 
 
 
Just to get the thread back on topic.  
 
 
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HR    Keffler   4/28/2015 2:32:19 PM
Excuse me... but it was you who said that the F-15E was not developed as a replacement to the F-111. That was quite a blunder on your part. I am glad that you are over it. On that F-35C that you posted... the Marines agreed to buy a number of them and to operate them from carriers in exchange for Navy support of the program. But the deliveries of F-35C are behind again and I just read this week that the Navy is considering buying more F-18 to make up the short fall. I hope they do not.
 
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keffler25       4/28/2015 2:40:38 PM
Irrelevant, you liar. You made a false claim that the F-15E was developed to replace the FB-111. I debunked you, and now you are lying about it. That's called trolling when you repeat the lie over and over and is a sign that you have NOTHING further to say... so shut up and move on to something new.        
 
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HR    Keffler   4/28/2015 3:46:08 PM
Love your humor... try to never loose it.
 
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keffler25       4/28/2015 3:50:19 PM
I see that you used the last refuge of the stupid, you liar.
 
And the proper word is 'lose' not loose. If you can't use English at all (your second language), then revert to your native tongue.   
Love your humor... try to never loose it.
 
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JFKY    Children   4/28/2015 3:50:23 PM
Do either of you have anything to add ON THE TOPIC OF THE F-35?  If not shut up....again, this is how you two kill threads.   Please, insult each other via Twitter or IM'ing.  Leave the rest of us out of it.
 
Why does someone have to be your "mommy" & point this out to you?  I had assumed you were both adults, but I may have assumed wrongly.
 
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keffler25       4/28/2015 5:58:50 PM
I do.
 
Attend.
 
An altitude advantage of 3000  meters over the combat loaded F-16 means that the F-35 should enjoy a similar advantage over the combat loaded Sukhoi. BUT and this is a big one, that means the F-35 trades carriage for signal management, and cleanness in the slip stream. Once you hang drop tanks, bombs and missiles as drag clutter outside the  internal carriage, those two advantages go away. That also affects endurance and service ceiling. The F-35 can be seen and met on near equal terms by fourth generation aircraft if the crap on the wings impedes the F-35 with the endurance and altitude advantage going to the (Russian) aircraft (see my previous comments about this aspect above).
 
So expect the F-35 in first day of war to fight with internal carriage (and maybe drop tanks before ingress into hostile air) which means very limited war-loads of missiles and bombs.  This should not be a handicap most of the time except when we will be fighting for our lives over Sasebo and Guam, but as I note, if we had bought the YF-23 and the RR/GE engine, we would have gotten a a strike Raptor at the same time we bought the air superiority fighter. We wouldn't be nail biting it with the F-35 because the YF-23 would have had all the internal carriage (CLEAN) that we could ever want for our munitions inventory. Northrop designed that stupid plane with bombs and large air to air missiles in mind.        
 
 
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JFKY    Now that was on-point & useful   4/28/2015 7:32:53 PM
Not sure who we're going to be "fighting for our lives" with over Guam....pretty far away from anyone with real airpower, but Sasebo is possible, I guess. Certainly, the USAF has never claimed that an F-35 with external carriage is going to be "stealthy"....rightfully so. I believe both here & other places it is Day One-Day N that the F-35 flies Internal Carriage...Day N=1 will see external carriage...e.g. in the later stages of Desert Strom, once the IADS had been beaten down.
 
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