Great, 

 

More rambling, delusional crap from the idiot.

 

FS, how about admitting that you were wrong?

 

There is CATEGORICALLY no export version yet you neglect to even respond to this, you just waffle on like the deluded fanboy asshole that you are.

 

I don't care if I get banned, it looks like most of the good posters have abandoned this place anyway.

 

And who could blame them...

 

 

Take heart, Reactive, I note that a couple of the most notorious posters have been very quiet of late.  This may be a *very* good sign that SYSOPS has reached its tolerance limit.

 

Take that comment above, and then consider this line from your very next post:

 

"You are right but electronic evolves"

This is yet another perfect illustration of why you are Le Idiot and reviled by every poster on StrategyPage except for the other French posters and perhaps a couple others:

 

In your world the Rafale will continue to evolve significantly, yet the F-35 apparently will never change from the baseline that has previously been publicly acknowledged.

 

You are clueless (at best) if you think the F-35 will not have any ECM, to include potentially at least as good jamming as Rafale can produce, once the threat actually finally advances to the point where additional ECM is worth the money to add on (not to mention that it undoubtedly *will* have some very capable ECM that will provide a significant degree of additional protection right from initial operations by using the APG-81).

 

Once agin, with regard to low observables and electronic warfare, the correct comparison between Rafale and F-35 is/will be:

Rafale has some signature management plus outstanding ESM/ECM.

F-35 has LO plus outstanding ESM and some outstanding ECM, and can add more outstanding ECM any time we choose.

 

To use your nomenclature, just so you may actually be able to understand even though I do not endorse your terminology, it simplifies to the following:

 

Rafale:  LO + ECM.

F-35:  VLO + ECM.

 

That's one of the many excellent reasons why so many countries have clearly shown favor for "F35 concept and interest for a aircraft which would be unique in some airforces."

 

Yes, other aircraft lack a high-end EW suite, EO sensors, etc etc, but the latest versions of most 4th generation jets have all of these including the EF, Gripen, F-16, F-15 and SH. (The SH's IRST is not yet operational.)

 

"And you judge its altitude performance form what? Just from the public data it beats the F-16, F/A-18 and even the F-35 in the altitude regime."

I have no idea where you got the idea that the Rafale has superior high-altitude performance when compared to an F-16, it doesn't.  The Rafale is optimized for low-altitude flight in keeping with its low-level attack mission and carrier requirements.   Its high-altitude performance is similar to that of the SH and F-35.

 

"Great comparing a 2009 fighter to a 2015 fighter and you mean the Rafale won't be developed even further? Where is the prove for its "best EO/IRST", MUCH more capable EW suite and so much better radar? "

 

You need to look at the specs for the F-35's EO/DAS.  I don't really know what to say beyond that.  It is unquestionably the newest and most capable such system in the world, no other aircraft has even a similar system in service or even planned.

 

For the radar and EW system you are unfortunately going to have to wait a bit I think.  It should be sufficient to know that it has the latest generation AESA the US can produce, of a far larger diameter than that in the Rafale, pared with an EW system that is largely derived from and an improvement on, that in the F-22. 

 

 

"You are clueless (at best) if you think the F-35 will not have any ECM, to include potentially at least as good jamming as Rafale can produce, once the threat actually finally advances to the point where additional ECM is worth the money to add on (not to mention that it undoubtedly *will* have some very capable ECM that will provide a significant degree of additional protection right from initial operations by using the APG-81)."

 

If the F-35 ends up with a similarly capable ECM system to that in the Rafale a whole raft of people are going to be fired... I will leave it at that.

 

Since once again we are just re-re-re-re-re-correcting the same fanboy I am taking off again. 

 

This is less than rewarding and it is impossible to have a discussion about anything other than two fanboy's fantasy version of their favorite airplane here.  We might as well be arguing X-wings vs Tie fighters...

 

 

 

French stratege,

 

Nuke weapons, eh? So that must be what they have been hiding at Lucas Heights all these years, eh? http://www.strategypage.com/CuteSoft_Client/CuteEditor/Images/emsmilep.gif" align="absMiddle" border="0" alt="" />

 

I wasn't aware the Australian constitution allowed for the United States to formulate/legislate our foreign policy. You really trying to claim that if Australia wished to use RAAF F-35 in an offensive operation, that we would need to ask Uncle Sam's permission??? So you reckon we are only allowed to use them to "defend" ourselves, eh?

 

Still going on about vassals I see. You may wish to look up a dictionary. Seems your comprehension skills are lacking somewhat.

 

Isolated in Asia? How are we isolated? Geography, demography, sociologicly? Would love to be enlightened on this point.

 

I take it you have no idea that this isolated democracy gives billions in funding to our neighbours annually? We are quite capable militarily and economiclly to take on the yellow peril, thanks all the same.

 

You are so clueless on issues relating to Australia it is quite laughable. Sigh.

Again, the ambassadors quote is not comparing the Australian JSF and the USAF version, because he makes no reference to this - he refers to the Australian aircraft and general US capabilities - which would include the F22, B2 and any number of other bits of hardware. He also specifically states that A/C the Australians get will be "a whole lot better than anyone else in the world has" - a statement you place less emphasis on.

I note at least you've stopped referring to any compromised RCS reduction for the JSF partners however and now simply weasel away about ECM and FCS software.

Boeing's Silent Eagle does not have anything to do with the JSF having "export" variants - it has everything to do with Boeing wishing to continue selling aircraft - it has a line producing F15's and that A/C has a fine combat record and can probably do well in some markets. However, warming over a cold war design with a few bits of ram and the odd intake or control surface change will not get you into the same ballpark as the F35. The same can be said of the Rafale or Eurofighter - you need to start from the ground up to get the sort of RCS reductions seen in the F35 and F22.

Ian

  Reactive

Brigadier Gen. David Heinz,

"I state categorically that I am not doing a different variant of aircraft for my international partners today," Heinz told Reuters in an interview at the Paris Air Show.

 

Well he seems only to reject what everybody knows in Europe, that a US ambassador said openly, and even Boeing which was a competitor in F35 competition so had access to first hand specifications and invested its money to propose an alternate F15 knowing export F35 are not the same.

He is playing with words to avoid to answer.

Technicaly he is right, no different variant as a F16 block 40 versus a F16block 52.

And not today.

Just some specific add on are missed, some sofwtare is not dowloads or have different ECM or ECCM libraries.

For exemple F16 block52 are in service in Singapore or USA.

They are of the same variant but different.

US variant have for example canopy treatment to lower RCS and not those of Singapore according to Indians.

Same variant.But not the same.

If he wanted to say without any ambiguity, he would have simply said they will be no difference today and tomorrow.

Do you have any clue and insights within defense industry and weapon procurement?

 

 

 

trolls are funny

 

 

Flight testing of the EW system on the F-35A is planned to begin in the fourth quarter of 2008 with the first flight of a fully integrated "avionics aircraft." This aircraft will include the first full-production EW suite, slated for delivery in the first three months of 2007. The suite will be identical in all U.S. and international F-35 variants

 

Also important is the use of spiral development practices to leverage the commonalities between the F-35 and F-22A. Waldrop says: "Every time the F-22A flies we learn more. We can now spiral advanced technology developed for the F-35 back into the Raptor.