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Subject: Air to Ground AIM-9X
One Five Five Echo    12/3/2009 3:25:00 PM
Raytheon has adapted the heat-seeking AIM-9X to strike moving targets on the ground or in the water, adding another new capability for the formerly air-to-air-only missile. The modification allows the same AIM-9X to strike both air and ground targets. Jeff White, Raytheon's business development manager for AIM-9X, declines to describe the modification in detail, but says it involves only software changes. The AIM-9X infrared seeker, proximity fuse and blast/fragmentation warhead remain unchanged. During a 23 September Gulf of Mexico test, a US Air Force F-15C fired the air-to-surface AIM-9X and hit a speeding "cigar boat", a type commonly used by drug smugglers. "The missile went right through the boat," says White. The F-15C test follows a previous shot by an F-16 at a similar target, which also scored a hit on the boat, he adds. link
 
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One Five Five Echo       12/3/2009 3:25:53 PM
Link above broken, here it is again....
 
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Hamilcar    Missile doesn't care.   12/4/2009 2:11:27 AM
as long as the target signal it chases across its sensor's field of view matches what its computer(signal processor) is programmed to match.
 
Rather expensive way to prove this against a speed boat, though. 
 
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LB    Utility   12/4/2009 6:04:19 PM
It's not clear what the utility is with the 21lb warhead for $85,000 vs other weapons but it's not totally unreasonable and might be a useful capability that gets used from time to time.  OTH a Hellfire or Brimstone is about half the weight with a similar sized but AT optimized warhead.  If they can get the guided 2.75inch rocket to be cost effective that of course would be the way to go for a variety of reasons for many tasks. 
 
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smitty237       12/4/2009 6:33:11 PM
Interesting concept, I suppose.  The question I have is whether the AIM-9X missiles can be switched to the air-to-ground role while fighter is in the air or if certain missiles are programmed for the air-to-ground role while in the hangar.  If a missile can become air to ground with the flip of a switch then this is an ingenious idea.  Fighters flying CAP missions can be quickly diverted to provide close air support to ground units or attack soft targets (like a truck, car, or boat).  Currently fighters equipped only with air-to-air missiles may be within range of a ground unit that finds itself in trouble, but can only use its guns to provide support, which is risky to both the troops on the ground as well as the pilot.  Given the conditions in Afghanistan this could be a useful asset. 
 
The next question I would have is how effective the AIM-9X warhead would be against ground targets.  Going straight through a fiberglass cigar boat may sound cool, but would would it do to a sturdier vessel?  I assume the missile would home in on the boat's engine, but would effect would it have?  I assume it would do considerable damage to a car, but would it do to a large truck?  Would it merely disable the truck or destroy it?  Would it have any effect whatsoever on armored vehicles?  Could it home in on in a bunker or a specific building? 
 
Just a cop and former grunt asking a few questions.............
 
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LB    AIM-9X   12/4/2009 11:17:56 PM
While it sounds good for the AIM-9X to be able to be used against ground targets and at times it might do so it's not the most cost effective solution.  The AIM-9X is a lot heavier and more costly that other air to ground weapons with a ballpark 21 lb warhead.  That warhead is also rather specialized in that it's designed to throw out an expanding circle of I believe around 195 titanium rods from the laser proximity fuse.  One imagines it would shred a truck adequately.
 
The main question in my view is whether you want an aircraft hauling around a 200lb $85,000 missile with an air to air optimized warhead vs something that costs roughly half at half the weight with a warhead oriented on ground targets?  Moreover, do you really want to pay for training rounds? 
 
It probably has some limited utility but unless it's just an inexpensive software fix one would be forgiven for questioning the cost.  In any case it's come a long way since William McLean led development in 1946.
 
I've got a question that perhaps someone here can answer:  Originally the way the fuse on the AIM-9 worked it led the target but required the missile not to roll- hence the control surfaces to prevent that.  One assumes this is not a requirement any longer?  Assuming not doesn't it still operate the same and is there any benefit?  Thanks.

 
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Hamilcar       12/6/2009 3:16:56 AM

Interesting concept, I suppose.  The question I have is whether the AIM-9X missiles can be switched to the air-to-ground role while fighter is in the air or if certain missiles are programmed for the air-to-ground role while in the hangar.  If a missile can become air to ground with the flip of a switch then this is an ingenious idea.  Fighters flying CAP missions can be quickly diverted to provide close air support to ground units or attack soft targets (like a truck, car, or boat).  Currently fighters equipped only with air-to-air missiles may be within range of a ground unit that finds itself in trouble, but can only use its guns to provide support, which is risky to both the troops on the ground as well as the pilot.  Given the conditions in Afghanistan this could be a useful asset. 

I see this as software in the fighter and a addition to the signal recognition software in the missile's signal processor. No big deal. 

The next question I would have is how effective the AIM-9X warhead would be against ground targets.  Going straight through a fiberglass cigar boat may sound cool, but would would it do to a sturdier vessel?  I assume the missile would home in on the boat's engine, but would effect would it have?  I assume it would do considerable damage to a car, but would it do to a large truck?  Would it merely disable the truck or destroy it?  Would it have any effect whatsoever on armored vehicles?  Could it home in on in a bunker or a specific building? 

About as bad as an 8 inch HE artillery shell, if not worse. That is a lot of kinetic as well as explosive force that arrives, designed to wreck a very TOUGH object. (Sukhois are built like tanks.) 

Just a cop and former grunt asking a few questions.............


 
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gf0012-aust       12/6/2009 3:41:29 AM
About as bad as an 8 inch HE artillery shell, if not worse. That is a lot of kinetic as well as explosive force that arrives, designed to wreck a very TOUGH object. (Sukhois are built like tanks.) 

A useful example is the Gulf of Tonkin incident with HMAS Hobart and USS Boston
 
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Hamilcar       12/7/2009 10:44:45 PM
About as bad as an 8 inch HE artillery shell, if not worse. That is a lot of kinetic as well as explosive force that arrives, designed to wreck a very TOUGH object. (Sukhois are built like tanks.) 

A useful example is the Gulf of Tonkin incident with HMAS Hobart and USS Boston
 
I still regret the fatalities aboard HMAS Hobart. Did anyone ever figure out what the USAF thought it was doing? What helos?
 
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