I think the F22 will be used for whatever purpose is deemed necessary. As of now it has been used for nothing and it's critics use that non stop as to why we have wasted our money on it. For it to fly over Iran and gather intel as to where it and other allied a/c will go when the attack comes seems completely logical to me. As for a U2 type incident, Iran is NOT Russia and we know it. They cannot detect the F22 and certaintly cannot shoot it down.

As for war being the last resort. Well never said it wasn't. But the last resort has been here for a while. Iran is on the path to obtain nuclear weapons, they are NOT going to stop, and finally all the wishful thinkers of the world are faceing that reality and now realize they are going to have to either say let em have them, or go in and stop them. Israel is not about to allow it so we all may as well be prepared to deal with that fact and the US seeing how it has 10's of thousands of troops and a fleet of possibly vuneraBLE warships  in the area has no choice but to assist and help insure success, if for no other reason then to protect our own forces in the area.

To be honest I hate that "they are on the way to get nukes" argumentation. And that comes from a nation with the largest and most advanced nukes arsenal. Who stopped Israel purchasing nukes? Oh no one, Israel was actually allowed to get them and that without any sanctions or anything else. Iran is one of the most sophisticated countries in that region and we have heared all that bull before prior OIF.

Well one big diff between the US and Iran. The US is not the worlds leading supporter of terrorism. The US has not been saying we wish to obliterate any nations as far as I know. How sophisticated Iran is or is not means nothing. They, or their leaders are outright blatant supporters of a bunch of thugs the world over whose stated goal is the destruction of Israel and actually anyone who does not convert to Islam.

 

As for Israel, we should have gave them the nukes as far as I'm concerned. They are surrounded by 400 million Moslems who hate their guts and they number a tiny 6 million or so. So yea, they need them and more to the point, Israel is not out to destroy anyone. They just wish to live and be left alone by those fanatical terrorists that IRAN pays to destroy them!

I agree 100% with MK .

Iran is ~read my lips~ miles away to get anything close to an A or H bomb . So far , they are only capable to produce a less than 10% grade uranium when they need to reach 95% at least . Then , they don 't have the necessary "clocks" to precisely time the explosion . We just have to look at N. Korea , their tech is only good enough to get a poor "fizzle" .

 

Saying that Iran is close to get nukes is BS , real BS .

I wish that B. Obama will tell Israel and Iran to shut up a bit and stop to act like warmongers . If the Israelis want to hit Iran , let them do it and alone . If the Iranian regime wants to "eradicate" Israel , well , the Iranians are going to get smacked anyway .

I can 't see why the West (or even NATO) would get involved in this BS in between these two .

Israel ~or Iran~ can 't blackmail anyone , anymore .

What the West must continue is the fight against the international terrorism and try to destabilize the Iranian Gov by helping the Iranian people .

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Beazz :

""They cannot detect the F22 and certaintly cannot shoot it down. ""

 

You don 't know , as simple as that . The F-22 's stealth is completely unproven and I am not even talking yet about  "combat proven" . No bashing intended whatsoever but I demand to see ... And since the USAF completlely disaprove to use the F-22 in ANY excercise , even with friendly Nations ...

 

Cheers .

 

 

 

You don 't know , as simple as that . The F-22 's stealth is completely unproven and I am not even talking yet about  "combat proven" . No bashing intended whatsoever but I demand to see ... And since the USAF completlely disaprove to use the F-22 in ANY excercise , even with friendly Nations ...

 

ah, BW the troll is back again.

so what about all those allies who have flown against the F-22 and the RAF exchange pilot who is attached to and driven the F-22 as part of his normal day job...??

do we need to start trotting out public articles again on what the allied exchange pilots think when they're done DACT with the F-22 and do we need to trot out the articles on the RAF exchange pilots views of its capability???

fair enough the raf boy is sitting in the seat of a f-22, but has he had a 1 1/2 hr joy ride in the back of a rafale

then he would know what its like to be in a real plane

fair enough the raf boy is sitting in the seat of a f-22, but has he had a 1 1/2 hr joy ride in the back of a rafale

then he would know what its like to be in a real plane

dam, i knew i should of paid attention in school latin class, i didnt get past amo amas amat etc

 

theres an aussie trying to crash one too, they had to fit an esky or he wouldnt go up on those long trips

Embedded Australian fighter pilots are flying F-15 Eagles and F-15E Strike Eagles, F-16 Fighting Falcons, Navy F/A-18A-F Hornets and Super Hornets, and now F-22s. Although the exchange program has been in place for years, Squadron Leader Harper is the first and only Australian pilot embedded into an F-22 squadron.

"Australia has a history of having an exchange pilot with the 90th back when they flew F-15Es," he said. "When the (squadron) transitioned to the F-22, the position was continued, allowing the first Australian to fly the F-22."

 

 

 

 

Oh my word!!!!  I about fell out of my chair reading that statment.  I dont even knw where to start.  As GF states there are numerous reports in the public domain from USN, USAF and other folks to include RAF guys at Nellis who have catagorically stated that in the BVR fight you are dead and dont even know it when up against the F22.  Heck there is even a report from a SHornet driver who stated that even when he could see the damn thing right in front of him he couldnt get a radar lock worth a damn!!!!  But hey whatever you want to believe BW. 

Regards

 

Arty