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Subject: 6*F-22 vs 6*Typhoon vs 6*Rafale in the UAE?!
giblets    11/16/2009 4:48:58 AM
According to both Flight Global, and Defence News, other than attending the Dubai airshow, the USAF, RAF, and FAF each sent 6 of their finest fighter aircraft to the desert Kingdom to take part in multinational exercises. Other than adding much fuel to the fire for forum members here! It raises many questions (such as why the USAF was unable to send 1 F-22 to Paris, and can now send 6 to the UAE, despite no drop in operational tempo). And will the F22 and Typhoon not be in the air at the same time again?
 
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sentinel28a       11/20/2009 3:25:06 PM
I'm wondering that myself.  Mainly because everyone participating in the exercise are those countries most likely to hit Iran--though naturally the Israelis weren't there.
 
This would be a good time for everyone to get familiar with each other before dropping the hammer on the mullahs.  Something that our French friends, I think, would be happy to help with, if Sarkozy's rhetoric is to be believed.  We can argue about Rafale this and Rafale that, but I don't think anyone here's going to have too much trouble over a Rafale that comes home with 20 Iranian roundels painted on its nose.  (What's Clostermann's record again?)
 
Not gonna derail the thread talking about the Revolution.  Nope, not gonna.  But I am going to suggest James McPherson's Battle Cry of Freedom as the single-best volume on the Civil War ever written.
 
 
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Bluewings12       11/20/2009 5:06:52 PM
Sentinel :
""This would be a good time for everyone to get familiar with each other before dropping the hammer on the mullahs.""
 
I don 't want to go to war with Iran as we still have better options . Killing people is a bad thing and being the first to start is even worse .
 
""Something that our French friends, I think, would be happy to help with, if Sarkozy's rhetoric is to be believed.""
 
In case push comes to shove , YES . But as I said , we still have better options left .
 
Cheers .
 
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Bluewings12       11/20/2009 6:16:55 PM
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""The F-22s did not participate in ATLC. They were planned in as part of the exercise, then shortly beforehand they were withdrawn. Six jets were still deployed to Al Dhafra but they did not come out to play with the other boys and girls (OK, there were no girls). The USAF representatives at the show refused to acknowledge the aircrafts' presence or explain what they were doing in the UAE.""
 
This is strange .The USAF didn 't send 6 Raptors to the UAE for nothing ...
What could be the reason(s) ?
 
Cheers .
 
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Bluewings12       11/20/2009 6:50:35 PM
I asked :
"What could be the reason(s) ?"
 
I don 't know what to think . I trust the USAF to bring 6 perfectly flying F-22s with enough spares (if needed) for the exercise . Then , if one F-22 (or two) had an unforeseen problem, the USAF would probably informs the others and take care of the problem(s) . So , it can 't be a mechanical or a logistical problem .
 
Could it be a marketing shot ? I don 't think so , they (the USAF) look bad now .
Could it be a political move ? I also don 't think so , the USA don 't have anything to gain by withdrawing the F-22s .
What 's left ?
 
Rules of Engagement ? 
Lack of will ?
Just not interested anymore ?
Stealth compromised ?
(other)
 
This is the second time the USAF withdraw its F-22s from an exercise .
The most probable option , IMHO , is that the USA don 't want to have its stealth technology compromised , or negated in the open for all to see .
Not that I would blame them , warfare is and must be unfair , but I can understand ;-)

Cheers .
 
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jackjack       11/20/2009 8:28:17 PM
LOL...only in your dreams BW, only in your dreams
 

U.S. F-22s, F-16s Deploy to UAE 

U.S. Air Force F-16s and F-22s have deployed to the United Arab Emirates, the service announced Sunday.

The F-16s will be supporting Exercise Iron Falcon until Dec. 10 at the United Arab Emirates Air Warfare Center. The exercise is designed to bring together Gulf Cooperation Council nations and other countries to strengthen military-to-military relationships, promote regional security, improve combined tactical air operations, and enhance interoperability of forces, equipment and procedures.

During the same period, F-22s will participate in bilateral training opportunities with coalition partners.

 
 
 
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One Five Five Echo       11/21/2009 5:09:12 AM
Well, Iron Falcon is how the USAF refers to ATLC (ref. this story about last year's p...).  So it would appear that the F-22s were never meant to directly take part in ATLC at all.
 
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giblets       11/21/2009 5:59:22 AM
A poster on another forum claimed that the three aircraft were/ are supposed to be on the same side. Intersting that Flight global stated that the aircraft were already involved in the war games on the 19th, then on the 20th said they were not.
 
 
 
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One Five Five Echo       11/21/2009 7:01:01 AM

A poster on another forum claimed that the three aircraft were/ are supposed to be on the same side. Intersting that Flight global stated that the aircraft were already involved in the war games on the 19th, then on the 20th said they were not.

If all three had been in the exercises then yes they would have been "on the same side".
 
Flight Global got the story wrong, nothing new there.
 
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Beazz       11/21/2009 10:27:31 PM

I asked :

"What could be the reason(s) ?"

 

I don 't know what to think . I trust the USAF to bring 6 perfectly flying F-22s with enough spares (if needed) for the exercise . Then , if one F-22 (or two) had an unforeseen problem, the USAF would probably informs the others and take care of the problem(s) . So , it can 't be a mechanical or a logistical problem .


 

Could it be a marketing shot ? I don 't think so , they (the USAF) look bad now .

Could it be a political move ? I also don 't think so , the USA don 't have anything to gain by withdrawing the F-22s .


What 's left ?


 

Rules of Engagement ? 

Lack of will ?


Just not interested anymore ?

Stealth compromised ?


(other)

 

This is the second time the USAF withdraw its F-22s from an exercise .


The most probable option , IMHO , is that the USA don 't want to have its stealth technology compromised , or negated in the open for all to see .


Not that I would blame them , warfare is and must be unfair , but I can understand ;-)




Cheers .

You can't really be this naieve BW? The USAF has better things to do with it's F22s then play games with French pilots. It's obvious to anyone who cares to be realistic they were there for something like *Iran*. It's also obvious to anyone that cares to be realistic that even that peace loving fool Obama has all but run out of patience with Iran and Israel sure as hell has long ago and it is no longer a matter of *if* Iran is attacked, but rather *when* and *how*. And you think when that attack comes the F22 is not gonna be a good part of it? The F22's most likely gathered more intel in this short little trip then all the rest of the worlds intel to date combined on Iran and where things actually are and what is actually where we think or thought it is.
 
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sentinel28a       11/22/2009 3:10:11 AM
I disagree with that.  The F-22 wouldn't be used for intel gathering--it's a fighter, not the SR-71--and the USAF isn't going to risk another Francis Gary Powers U-2 incident that the Iranians can exploit.
 
I agree with BW that war is the last resort.  The problem is, thanks to the West's vacillation, Russia's duplicity, and Iranian fanaticism, we're rapidly approaching that last resort.
 
 
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