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Subject: 6*F-22 vs 6*Typhoon vs 6*Rafale in the UAE?!
giblets    11/16/2009 4:48:58 AM
According to both Flight Global, and Defence News, other than attending the Dubai airshow, the USAF, RAF, and FAF each sent 6 of their finest fighter aircraft to the desert Kingdom to take part in multinational exercises. Other than adding much fuel to the fire for forum members here! It raises many questions (such as why the USAF was unable to send 1 F-22 to Paris, and can now send 6 to the UAE, despite no drop in operational tempo). And will the F22 and Typhoon not be in the air at the same time again?
 
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Bluewings12       12/7/2009 3:52:00 PM
I would like to respond to Hamilcar (Herald) but there is so much hate and venom in his posts when he 's talking to me ...
There is also so much non sense , it is astonishing .
 
He has been banned multiple times and he keeps coming back with the same attitude and BS , it is disgusting .
Herald , everything you say is half digested and when you start to talk about EM emissions , I know that WE are going to read BS . You 're not living in the real World , it is as simple as that .
I am going to use your own words to try to make you understand but I doubt it is going to work :-(
Keep up please .
You said that Tomahawks could be used to smack a OtH radar . Well , let 's take again the Dijoniang example .
Tomahawk range and speed : 1104km at around 880km/h .
Unless they are launched from Subs , it is impossible . The radar will spot the aircraft waaay before they can fire .
Then , a Sub would have to launch very close from the cost , that 's a bad idea and the missile will be up in the air for an hour or more , flying inside an untouched IADS . I give the Tomahawk 15 minutes to live before to be shot .
 
Then , you tend to think that the USA can do what they want and everything they do is sure to work 200% , lol !!!
Maybe over Irak , but try China . Or France if you want to , lol !
You even go as far as saying that Israel has a better IADS than France . Pfff ...
You know what , leave us alone and just read . Post somewhere else , thank you .
 
Btw , have you even heard about the RIAS radar ? I don 't think so as it is highly secret .
I give you a clue and few pictures (chew on it Herald) :
The RIAS radar (Radar a Impulsion et Antenne Synthetique) is the first of its kind . It is using HF/VHF bands (around 50MHz) . What is new is the method employed , the vast array (91 antenas) or the "Post" array (like along roads to be discreet) , how the frequency mesurements are made and as usual , the French genie in software .
This radar has been made specificaly to detect , track and shot stealth targets . 
It is all I am going to say for now . Pictures :
 
 
 
 
The radar is using the best 4 parameters to track and lock : site-gisement-distance-vitesse ( position , angle , distance , speed) . It can detect , track and lock on anything flying . Shape , size , RAM do not matter . 
It is highly resistant to jamming but like any other EM systems , it can be jammed if the enemy knows how it works exactly .

The biggest array (91 antenas) is based near Rouen .
Again , I am providing something which is still not the case of the usual culprits .

Cheers .
 
 
 
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Bluewings12       12/7/2009 4:11:12 PM
C 'Mon Gentlemen , keep up !
Post decent stuff or get lost . You made me angry .
 
Cheers .
 
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Hamilcar       12/7/2009 8:45:19 PM

C 'Mon Gentlemen , keep up !

Post decent stuff or get lost . You made me angry .

 

Cheers .



Tomahawk's range is 1500+ km.
 
As for your other noise, who cares? Its just noise. Try ti accept a little education.
 
Also, nice quip about the anti French theory.
 
 
Hamilcar    Replies to where my name is taken in vain.......:-)   12/5/2009 9:08:51 AM
 Subject: StrategyPage Law of Posts
sentinel28a    12/4/2009 3:48:15 PM
 
This is a JOKE response.
 
Inspired by a DA post, the following is meant entirely in fun.
 
Definition: "In any thread in which the word 'China,' 'spy,' 'panda,' or 'the' is included, Nanheyangrouchan will claim that the PRC is up to no good. If pressed, he will then imply that the way to solve this problem is immediate war, and that anyone who disagrees is a foul panda-licker."
 
But the PRC government are up to no good.

Collorary One: "If the thread includes anything remotely associated with apocalyptic predictions, Le Zookeeper will post within 48 hours something regarding Mayan calendars and end his post with 'hahaha America going to go under soon u better get ready.'" This will then elicit groans from other posters who wonder how a self-professed genius can't spell."

But the PRC government are up to no good. (Wrong response?) Well, how about that someone needs to take his meds and stop talking textese that was obsolete five years ago?
 
Collorary Two: "Any mention or even speaking the word 'Rafale' aloud will immediately bring a post by Bluewings claiming that the Rafale is the best fighter ever made, because it is French, followed by the claim that the reason why the world hasn't realized this yet is because the F-35 is an American plot. Such posts will appear even if the thread is on wheat germ."
 
True.

Collorary Three: "Any Rafale thread will grow to gargantuan proportions within no less than 12 hours, and will follow the following format:
 
True. 

BW claims the Rafale is perfect;
 
True
 
Hamilcar, Warpig, and GFAust will claim it is not;
 
False. We will prove it is not. 
 
BW will call them idiots;
 
Actually he will claim that we are anti-French.
 
FrenchStrategist will appear and agree that the aforementioned posters are idiots
 
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Hamilcar    Chuckles........   12/7/2009 9:46:38 PM

I would like to respond to Hamilcar (Herald) but there is so much hate and venom in his posts when he 's talking to me ...

There is also so much non sense , it is astonishing .


 

He has been banned multiple times and he keeps coming back with the same attitude and BS , it is disgusting .


Herald , everything you say is half digested and when you start to talk about EM emissions , I know that WE are going to read BS . You 're not living in the real World , it is as simple as that .

I am going to use your own words to try to make you understand but I doubt it is going to work :-(

Keep up please .


You said that Tomahawks could be used to smack a OtH radar . Well , let 's take again the Dijoniang example .


Tomahawk range and speed : 1104km at around 880km/h .

Unless they are launched from Subs , it is impossible . The radar will spot the aircraft waaay before they can fire .


Then , a Sub would have to launch very close from the cost , that 's a bad idea and the missile will be up in the air for an hour or more , flying inside an untouched IADS . I give the Tomahawk 15 minutes to live before to be shot .


 

Then , you tend to think that the USA can do what they want and everything they do is sure to work 200% , lol !!!

Maybe over Irak , but try China . Or France if you want to , lol !


You even go as far as saying that Israel has a better IADS than France . Pfff ...

You know what , leave us alone and just read . Post somewhere else , thank you .


 

Btw , have you even heard about the RIAS radar ? I don 't think so as it is highly secret .

I give you a clue and few pictures (chew on it Herald) :


The RIAS radar (Radar a Impulsion et Antenne Synthetique) is the first of its kind . It is using HF/VHF bands (around 50MHz) . What is new is the method employed , the vast array (91 antenas) or the "Post" array (like along roads to be discreet) , how the frequency mesurements are made and as usual , the French genie in software .


This radar has been made specificaly to detect , track and shot stealth targets . 

It is all I am going to say for now . Pictures :


 

 

 

 

The radar is using the best 4 parameters to track and lock : site-gisement-distance-vitesse ( position , angle , distance , speed) . It can detect , track and lock on anything flying . Shape , size , RAM do not matter . 

It is highly resistant to jamming but like any other EM systems , it can be jammed if the enemy knows how it works exactly .




The biggest array (91 antenas) is based near Rouen .

Again , I am providing something which is still not the case of the usual culprits .




Cheers .

 

 

 
Hughes designed and tested it. Raytheon bought Hughes. RAYTHEON as always, is happy to sell something to a customer that they cannot do for themselves.  
 
If Americans know it and developed it in the first place we can KILL it, if we need to. I suggest you read the patent carefully. Its just another bearing only acquisition scheme. No ranging.
 
 
 
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gf0012-aust       12/8/2009 1:03:25 AM
Do you bloody get it now Gentlemen ?

I remind you one more time that I am the only one here to provide numbers , studies and facts . Then , I 've all the web links , just ask .

All I 've been reading from the usual culprits are opinions and nothing more . Prove what you say Gentlemen instead to write some garbage destinated to bash the annoying frenchman . 

Cheers .


it was suggested that I ignore you and leave you aline because you were a wannabe, but with the above outburst I see that you persist in being a troll and an umitigated liar to boot.

lets recap on your expertise about signal management shall we?

unable to articulate what cold imaging was - and feebly tried to imply that it was about grayscale object identification'
3 times I have quoted a radar engineers handbook on RCS issues - the last time you finally admitted that you didn't know about RCS and platform profiles and that you "learned" something.  Do I need to re reference that book and point out what chapters you need to read
3 times I have referenced first hand articles about LO aircraft management in complex space against what was regarded as the highest concentrated space outside of russia and serbia
4 times I have quoted aggressor pilots comments on the difficulty of engaging LO aircraft electronically when they had visuals
your failure to comprehend that the poor sawtooth panelling on Rafale was not an example of LO management but poor workmanship - so we need to trot out those pictures again?  do we need to trot out comparison picturees of Shornet airframe build quality - or even the JSF airframe build quality against Rafale
you've obviously no clue on how OTHR works as you've misrepresented what it can do with such gay abandon that you make marcel marceau sound like a new yorker
your comments about RAM coating on the flange bracket for the refueling probe - how does that work again?
your stellar inability to understand wavelength issues when repeatedly pointed out.

you sir are an unmitigated troll and you bring the quality of threads into entire disrepute because of your childish inability to not only be willing to learn about things clearly outside of your comprehension depth, but also your persistent capacity to lie and present misrepresented data and info streams as fact.

stop wasting everyones time and stop pretending to be knowledegable when even the last 2 days of posts show that you don't understand basic concepts.

screen scraping is not a demonstration of knowledge, especially when you publicly demonstrate time and time again that you don't understand first principles.

and for crying out loud you moron, its got nothing to do with being french.  you can lean on that crutch if it makes you feel better but thats absolute self aggrandising nonsense.





 


 

 

 

 

 

 
 
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Hamilcar       12/8/2009 1:22:54 AM




I would like to respond to Hamilcar (Herald) but there is so much hate and venom in his posts when he 's talking to me ...



There is also so much non sense , it is astonishing .






 



He has been banned multiple times and he keeps coming back with the same attitude and BS , it is disgusting .






Herald , everything you say is half digested and when you start to talk about EM emissions , I know that WE are going to read BS . You 're not living in the real World , it is as simple as that .



I am going to use your own words to try to make you understand but I doubt it is going to work :-(



Keep up please .






You said that Tomahawks could be used to smack a OtH radar . Well , let 's take again the Dijoniang example .






Tomahawk range and speed : 1104km at around 880km/h .



Unless they are launched from Subs , it is impossible . The radar will spot the aircraft waaay before they can fire .






Then , a Sub would have to launch very close from the cost , that 's a bad idea and the missile will be up in the air for an hour or more , flying inside an untouched IADS . I give the Tomahawk 15 minutes to live before to be shot .






 



Then , you tend to think that the USA can do what they want and everything they do is sure to work 200% , lol !!!



Maybe over Irak , but try China . Or France if you want to , lol !






You even go as far as saying that Israel has a better IADS than France . Pfff ...



You know what , leave us alone and just read . Post somewhere else , thank you .






 



Btw , have you even heard about the RIAS radar ? I don 't think so as it is highly secret .



I give you a clue and few pictures (chew on it Herald) :






The RIAS radar (Radar a Impulsion et Antenne Synthetique) is the first of its kind . It is using HF/VHF bands (around 50MHz) . What is new is the method employed , the vast array (91 antenas) or the "Post" array (like along roads to be discreet) , how the frequency mesurements are made and as usual , the French genie in software .






This radar has been made specificaly to detect , track and shot stealth targets . 



It is all I am going to say for now . Pictures :






 



 



 



 



The radar is using the best 4 parameters to track and lock : site-gisement-distance-vitesse ( position , angle , distance , speed) . It can detect , track and lock on anything flying . Shape , size , RAM do not matter . 



It is highly resistant to jamming but like any other EM systems , it can be jammed if the enemy knows how it works exactly .










The biggest array (91 antenas) is based near Rouen .



Again , I am providing something which is still not the case of the usual culprits .










Cheers .



 



 





 

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sinoflex    GF at his indignant best   12/8/2009 2:11:25 AM

you've obviously no clue on how OTHR works as you've misrepresented what it can do with such gay abandon that you make marcel marceau sound like a new yorker


Thanks for stimulating the injection of beverage liquids into my nasal cavities.  Fortunately, the contents were not at elevated tolerance levels. 
 
LOL!!!
 
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warpig       12/8/2009 8:41:17 AM








you've obviously no clue on how OTHR works as you've misrepresented what it can do with such gay abandon that you make marcel marceau sound like a new yorker










Thanks for stimulating the injection of beverage liquids into my nasal cavities.  Fortunately, the contents were not at elevated tolerance levels. 

 

LOL!!!



 
 
I would greatly prefer watching Sophie Marceau try to protray a New Yorker... or watch her doing anything else, for that matter.  Ooolala!
 

 
 
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One Five Five Echo       12/8/2009 10:32:55 AM
you've obviously no clue on how OTHR works as you've misrepresented what it can do with such gay abandon that you make marcel marceau sound like a new yorker

Thanks for stimulating the injection of beverage liquids into my nasal cavities.  Fortunately, the contents were not at elevated tolerance levels. 

LOL!!!

A+++ would laff again.
 
GF tried to warn me the first time I posted trying to correct Bluewings' complete fantasies about radar.  It's funny, but kind of rude at the same time, to see someone with such an attenuated grasp of reality telling people who know their stuff to "keep up".
 
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Bluewings12       12/8/2009 1:39:19 PM
I have a problem and you also have a problem .
 
I don 't know how I could make myself clearer and you don 't know how to respond to the facts I provide .
Example : I post some numbers about HA-100 which are better than Silent Sentry , I also post some stuff about a new breed French low band radar (RIAS) with pictures , which apparently nobody here knew about , and all I get is personal attacks from Hamilcar and gf .
I know the reason why , since you can 't argue against the numbers I provide , you shot at the messenger . As usual .
Why nobody said "Wow , that HA-100 is a nice piece of kit" or "I 'd like to know more about the RIAS system , it sounds interesting" ?
 
I tell you why , your Egos don 't like to see a better stuff than the ones you have . When it happens , you throw your toys out of the pram and fire at me all guns blazing . Yes , my real knowledge on radars , maths , and EM propagation is average but I 've never said otherwise .
 
I try to give some numbers (all checkable on open sources) , pictures , etc , and I have Hamilcar coming with :
""As for your other noise, who cares? Its just noise.""
Furthermore , this so-called knowledgeable poster later on give me some irrelevant pdf to read .
Hamilcar , Hello ? DO YOU HEAR ME ?... The pdf you gave me is about radars destinated to cars , you silly person !
First , I couldn 't believe it but as I was reading , it became obvious . It is about radar avoidance , object avoidance , etc ...
To make it short , it talks about the radars you have in the front and in the back of your car to help you to park (example) .
Lololol !!!!! I am pissing myself , lololol !!!
 
It 's noted .
Hamilcar (Herald) , not only you just show that you know nothing about radars and you also don 't know how to "google" stuff . It 's pathetic ...
 
gf , a long time ago I had trust in you and in your posting . But I 've seen you so many times wrong and so many times biaised that I put you in the same bag than Herald . It is a pity as your knowleadge on some topics is more than often an eye opener , which has never been the case for Herald while he sometimes have good things to post .
To your eyes , I am an ignorant troll ( at least it is what you say here on SP) but I am also sure that I surprised you many times . If you would only stick to the facts or the matter at hand , my posting attitude would change in no time , that I can promise .
 
So , one has a question regarding the HA-100 and the RIAS radar or it doesn 't interest anyone ?
 
Cheers .
 

 
 
 
 
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