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Subject: 6*F-22 vs 6*Typhoon vs 6*Rafale in the UAE?!
giblets    11/16/2009 4:48:58 AM
According to both Flight Global, and Defence News, other than attending the Dubai airshow, the USAF, RAF, and FAF each sent 6 of their finest fighter aircraft to the desert Kingdom to take part in multinational exercises. Other than adding much fuel to the fire for forum members here! It raises many questions (such as why the USAF was unable to send 1 F-22 to Paris, and can now send 6 to the UAE, despite no drop in operational tempo). And will the F22 and Typhoon not be in the air at the same time again?
 
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Bluewings12    SYSOPS   11/27/2009 3:36:11 PM
Admins of the site , I must bring to your attention what the poster known as Beazz wrote .
I quote :
 
""If every last Iraqi and Afghani has to die to save even one American life I got no problem whatsoever with that.
How bout you BW? You got a son or daughter you wish to sacrifice for the sake of those backwoods sub human animals?""
 
This is an atrocity . This person approves the genocide of two Nations to save a single human life , this is unacceptable
Then no one should be called ..................................... (I can 't even repeat it) .
I cannot believe that anyone here on StrategyPage wants to read such insanity . Furthermore , there are some legal issues at play .
I am asking the Admins for sanction(s) to be taken .
 
Cheers .
 
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Beazz       11/27/2009 3:46:22 PM

Admins of the site , I must bring to your attention what the poster known as Beazz wrote .

I quote :

 


""If every last Iraqi and Afghani has to die to save even one American life I got no problem whatsoever with that.

How bout you BW? You got a son or daughter you wish to sacrifice for the sake of those backwoods sub human animals?""

 

This is an atrocity . This person approves the genocide of two Nations to save a single human life , this is unacceptable


Then no one should be called ..................................... (I can 't even repeat it) .


I cannot believe that anyone here on StrategyPage wants to read such insanity . Furthermore , there are some legal issues at play .

I am asking the Admins for sanction(s) to be taken .


 

Cheers .




What a little twit you are BW lol Legal issues? You French are even bigger little whiney babys then I ever gave you credit for. As well as t-total idiots. I double dog dare ya to try anything legal over anything I say or said. Go ahead hero, make my dare. I dare ya!!!
And btw, you think anyone here cares to read your non stop dribble? I to call on sysops to take action against you lol You waste bandwidth the rest of the world could be useing for real internet use. Now crawl back in your little hole you pathetic little teeage twit!! It's ok, you have my permission to go tell mommy this mean old American called you a twit before you start crying to.
 
beazz
 
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warpig       11/27/2009 3:50:22 PM

Admins of the site , I must bring to your attention what the poster known as Beazz wrote .

I quote :

""If every last Iraqi and Afghani has to die to save even one American life I got no problem whatsoever with that.
How bout you BW? You got a son or daughter you wish to sacrifice for the sake of those backwoods sub human animals?""

This is an atrocity . This person approves the genocide of two Nations to save a single human life , this is unacceptable
Then no one should be called ..................................... (I can 't even repeat it) .

I cannot believe that anyone here on StrategyPage wants to read such insanity . Furthermore , there are some legal issues at play .
I am asking the Admins for sanction(s) to be taken .


Note to BW and SYSOPS:
 
If, in the course of fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, every last Iraqi and Afghani who becomes a legitimate military target has to die to save even one American life, then I have no problem whatsoever with that.
 
I think that way, and I'd bet that's what Beazz meant, too.
 
 
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One Five Five Echo       11/27/2009 4:37:42 PM
Wake UUUP !
2 aggressor pilots during the last RedFlag have been shotdown by a Blue Rafale when the Dassault fighter was on a penetration mission (2 external fuel tanks , 6 AASMs , 4 Micas and flying at medium altitude) . The aggressors didn 't see them coming (the Micas) . They didn 't shoot at the Rafale by the way ...

Could someone/anyone do me a favor and list all the possible ways the aggressors *COULD* have seen the missiles coming?  I can only think of the following two possibilites, neither of which is something that I would bet the aggressor aircraft are necessarily equipped to make use of in these scenarios (although both may well be theoretically possible to do if the aggressor aircraft are properly equipped), neither of which I would bet is necessarily done by the firing aircraft during exercises like RED FLAG, and the second of which I would bet is not necessarily done by the firing aircraft even in real life except in long range engagements:
 
1.  Detect a change in the firing aircraft's radar emissions that is indicative of missile launch/guidance/etc.

2.  Detect other communications from the firing aircraft meant to be received by the missile that is indicative of missile in-flight target location updating.

That would be a neat trick considering these are virtual missiles that only exist in a computer simulator. 
 
Aircraft in Red Flag don't carry actual ordnance except of course in live fire exercises.  The only things they normally carry are 1) an ACMI pod which is the size/weight of an IR missile, and 2) an inert IR missile if their loadout simulates those.  They have to carry an IR missile because there's no way to simulate an IR lockon otherwise.  Aircraft do not need to carry RF guided missiles, the aircraft's computer and radar are sufficient to simulate those.
 
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Bluewings12       11/27/2009 5:19:25 PM
Mister Beazz , unless you are under the influence of alcohol or drugs , you cannot have this kind of argumentation .
You are a despicable person . To insult me openly is one thing but it is nothing compared with what you said earlier .
 
You just read my last words to you , ever .
 
Cheers . 
 
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Bluewings12       11/27/2009 5:36:12 PM
What is going on ? Of course it is virtual missiles !

We 're not going to shoot at each other for real during a DACT training !!?
Are some of you acting in bad faith or you simply didn 't think about what I was talking about ?
When I said (I quote) :
""The aggressors didn 't see them coming (the Micas)""
 
I was obviously talking about RWRs and MAWSs . The Rafale did get a lock with the RBE2 and then simulated the firing of an EM Mica , twice . From what I know , if the virtual "missile" is fired within the NEZ , DACT will call it a kill . If it is outside the NEZ , DACT will time the virtual "flight" of the virtual missile to the NEZ and then apply a good PoK if the targeted aircraft did not take evasive mesures .

Please , keep up gents . Thanks .
 
Cheers .
 
 
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Beazz       11/27/2009 5:45:05 PM

Mister Beazz , unless you are under the influence of alcohol or drugs , you cannot have this kind of argumentation .

You are a despicable person . To insult me openly is one thing but it is nothing compared with what you said earlier .

 

You just read my last words to you , ever .

 

Cheers . 



Please God Almighty tell me you actually mean that!! Knowing your rep for outright lieing, I simply will not believe it till I see it. But I just had a huge smile reading YOU would never speak to me again. And people say miracles don'r happen anymore!
Where I come from BW, you are what is known as a tattle tale. Here we tell our children to stop tattling and deal with it. Unless of course it is something that could get someone seriously hurt or someone has done something illegal. It's quiet obvious you are one of those people that is not respected and pushed around by everyone in real life so on an internet baord you try and get some respect. Unsuccessully I might add.  I have watched you threaten and constantly be yelling for SYSOP to do your business for you. You are pathetic BW. If I were SYSOP I would be personally insulted by your non stop telling them what is and is not proper and to do something about it. You act as if they don't read everything said on here and are in effect insulting the intelligence of those charged with running these boards. You are a prime example of what a child that had no strong hand in his upbringing turns out to be. At least I hope that's what it is and everyone in France in not like you.
 
Have a pathetic life you pathetic little man.
 
Beazz
 
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One Five Five Echo       11/27/2009 5:50:18 PM
I was obviously talking about RWRs and MAWSs
 
Uh huh.  How's a MAWS going to see a virtual missile, again?
 
An RWR is not going to give an indication of firing because the firing aircraft's radar emissions do not change when it fires a non-SARH missile.
 
Also, that's a real cool story you're telling there, how do you know what the aggressors did and didn't know?
 
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Beazz       11/27/2009 5:53:59 PM




Admins of the site , I must bring to your attention what the poster known as Beazz wrote .



I quote :



""If every last Iraqi and Afghani has to die to save even one American life I got no problem whatsoever with that.

How bout you BW? You got a son or daughter you wish to sacrifice for the sake of those backwoods sub human animals?""



This is an atrocity . This person approves the genocide of two Nations to save a single human life , this is unacceptable

Then no one should be called ..................................... (I can 't even repeat it) .



I cannot believe that anyone here on StrategyPage wants to read such insanity . Furthermore , there are some legal issues at play .

I am asking the Admins for sanction(s) to be taken .








Note to BW and SYSOPS:

 

If, in the course of fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, every last Iraqi and Afghani who becomes a legitimate military target has to die to save even one American life, then I have no problem whatsoever with that.
 

I think that way, and I'd bet that's what Beazz meant, too.

 



To be honest Warpig, I never gave it that much thought. But that would be a pretty much realistic way of putting what I said into context. My only difference would be what I consider ligitimate targets and what some others don't. I don't think I have some burning desire to go out and kill babys. But if they are in a place that must be bombed to save American lifes then so be it is my view point. An example would be how we go about taking out safe houses when we find them. We go to great lengths to make sure not so much a as grain of sand touched any house surrounding it. I would go much further then this and EVERY home on every side of the terrorist safe house would be obliterated if I was calling the shots. Those people in those homes MUST see these terrorists coming and going and by NOT reporting it they are in effect aiding the enemy and I got no sympothy for them whatsoever. If their children are killed because of it., their blood is on their hands, NOT ours. That would certainly be more in line with what I actually said and meant.
I forgot I was dealing with a full grown adult tattle tail baby when addressing BW. But lucky for me, he's not going to talk to me anymore ;-)))))))))))))
 
Beazzzzzzzz
 
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warpig       11/27/2009 6:14:35 PM

What is going on ? Of course it is virtual missiles !

We 're not going to shoot at each other for real during a DACT training !!?

Are some of you acting in bad faith or you simply didn 't think about what I was talking about ?

When I said (I quote) :
""The aggressors didn 't see them coming (the Micas)""

I was obviously talking about RWRs and MAWSs . The Rafale did get a lock with the RBE2 and then simulated the firing of an EM Mica , twice . From what I know , if the virtual "missile" is fired within the NEZ , DACT will call it a kill . If it is outside the NEZ , DACT will time the virtual "flight" of the virtual missile to the NEZ and then apply a good PoK if the targeted aircraft did not take evasive mesures .


Frankly and truthfully, I always suspect you don't know what you're talking about, and I don't say that in an attempt to insult you but in an attempt to show you the result of your lack of discernment during years of bombarding us with pro-Rafale and pro-French posts.  Naturally, when you throw up everything you can find that sounds good, sometimes/many times it is true... but sometimes/many times it (and/or your commentary about it) turns out to be *too* good to be true, and that brings us to the present where I realize I must scrutize everything you post before I can be confident in accepting any content in them as true.
 
Regarding RWRs and MAWS, first of all a MAWS isn't going to detect anything regarding a simulated missile shot at RED FLAG.  Also, I seriously question whether any of the aggressor squadron's aircraft at RED FLAG even have any MAWS sensors mounted on them, for at least the purely economic reason that there's nothing to detect since all the missile shots are simulated.  Second, since these aggressors are simulating current (or possibly near-future) threat aircraft, they would (at least mostly) be simulating RWR equipment like SPO-15 and L-150, which haven't got a prayer of detecting an AESA radars and very possibly not other modern AI radars, either, although I admit I do not know their specific capabilities in this regard.  Thus, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they did not detect Rafale's radar, just as I would not be surprised if they did not detect the radars on Typhoons, F-15s, and F-16s--or at least not in all their various air-to-air modes of operation.  However, I am again not personally knowledgable in this, so I am not sure about it.

 
 
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