""I am getting soo suspicious that the reason for a huge amount of the secrecy involving the F22 is about hiding incompetence instead of denieing the enemy information.""

 

You only say what many observers have said and keep saying . It why the exact reason why I reminded people that the F-22 stealth and combat systems are still unproven and for this , I have been personaly attacked , almost insulted .

A good challenge for the USAF and the F-22 would be to include Gripens , Typhoons and Rafale in the Red Flag Aggressor Squadron , just once ...

If you think about it , it does make sense because the World is a very fast moving thing and today 's allies could be 2moro 's adversaries . Typhoon has been sold abroad and to non NATO Nations and Rafale seems to follow a similar path .

 

MK :

Well you did say "the foreigners for talking BS" so...

True and where does I say french or Rafale? While I indeed aimed at the bashing of the french Rafale supporters here, I kept this statement general for a good reason. I wouldn't expect a different behaviour if a fan/supporter (or what ever you want to call these guys) of a MiG-29+ or Su-27/3X, a Gripen or any other non US made aircraft would argue his case on his fellow aircraft. My point is you guys are quick in "addressing" those claims you find not believeable from those, but you seem not address the opposite claims, which are often enough not less dubious. Hamilcars strong claims with ridiculous, not to say non existant "proofs" weren't addressed by anyone of you guys for example. Now it turns to your own beloved fighters and you are all rage about defending it and indicating that I would support the Rafale as you did with your claim. I speak out what fanboys tend to blank out, not swallowing every piece of marketing claims. What is wrong with raising doubts or asking questions if things are extremly unspecific or even irrational/unlogical. You guys were quick in pointing out exactly these things from the "Rafale rampant" article, but when it comes to not less unspecific/generalised claims besides the F-22 you suddenly feel attacked and come up with counters "Rafale bla bla here and that..."

I see that the general consensus , vast majority of posters , is : "Don 't touch our beloved and invincible F22 and don 't even talk about it " .

Praising the Raptor is welcomed , talking about the Raptor is already suspicious and saying something against the Raptor is trolling . As a French man and as BW , I am pissing myself , lol !  These posters are 10 times worse than me ...

""Whoa there Napoleon""

 

No . He was from Corsica and was half Italian as well as being a pr*ck . I am nothing of it .

 

You wrote: 

 

 

And you were talking out your a**.

 

Happy holidays.

You responded :

 ""And you were talking out your a**.""

 

Where did you say that the F-22 was put up against any fighters from other Nations ???

This is what I am saying . Don 't try to disprove me , you can 't .

 

Cheers .

Well you did say "the foreigners for talking BS" so...

True and where does I say french or Rafale? While I indeed aimed at the bashing of the french Rafale supporters here, I kept this statement general for a good reason. I wouldn't expect a different behaviour if a fan/supporter (or what ever you want to call these guys) of a MiG-29+ or Su-27/3X, a Gripen or any other non US made aircraft would argue his case on his fellow aircraft. My point is you guys are quick in "addressing" those claims you find not believeable from those, but you seem not address the opposite claims, which are often enough not less dubious. Hamilcars strong claims with ridiculous, not to say non existant "proofs" weren't addressed by anyone of you guys for example. Now it turns to your own beloved fighters and you are all rage about defending it and indicating that I would support the Rafale as you did with your claim. I speak out what fanboys tend to blank out, not swallowing every piece of marketing claims. What is wrong with raising doubts or asking questions if things are extremly unspecific or even irrational/unlogical. You guys were quick in pointing out exactly these things from the "Rafale rampant" article, but when it comes to not less unspecific/generalised claims besides the F-22 you suddenly feel attacked and come up with counters "Rafale bla bla here and that..."