I'm almost certain they will come up with "they were all fighting among the same side" against an "enemy". But let's see and not be to overly excited on that. ;)

I'm guessing:

F22 V Typhoon

F22 V Rafale

Typhoon V Rafale

 

Remember the UAE is supposedly looking for new fighters. The F22's, along with the UAE F16's and M2K's would give a nice benchmark to compare the aircraft.

 

Sending an F22 to Paris means its RCS would be analyzed in detail by French Mod means.

Now if we see such a deployment, it probably means that UAE want to analyse performance of those fighter in detail including to see if Rafale of Eurofighter can match a F22 and so a F35.

The exercises already happened.  The exercise is called ATLC - Advanced Tactical Leadership Course - a UAE version of NATO TLP.  This year supposedly involved Pakistan, France, US, UK, and UAE.  Here is RAF XI squadron's writeup of last year's edition:

 

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On October 28 2008, XI Sqn left a rather gloomy Coningsby to participate in ATLC in the UAE.  The trail out to Al Dhafra Airbase was uneventful with a night stop in Akrotiri, Cyprus, on the way.

Al Dhafra is a joint UAE and USAF base which, whilst the home to the majority of the Emirates fast jet force, is also home to the US KC-10 air-air refuelling aircraft which is involved in both Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan. Al Dhafra is situated approximately one hour away from the city of Abu Dhabi.

The exercise consisted of 7 Typhoons from XI Sqn, American F-15C Eagles , French Mirage 2000-5, Saudi F-15C Eagles, Emirates Mirage 2000-9 and F-16 Block 60 together with air-to-air refuelling aircraft and AWACS.  The aim of the exercise was to continue working on our Multi Role training whilst participating in a multi national, large scale exercise.  For those of you who are aware of TLP, this exercise is essentially the Middle Eastern version.  During the exercise 4 of our pilots were enrolled as ATLC course students, which provided them with training for 4 ship lead status and additional experience before starting the Multi Role Qualified Weapons Instructor Course in January 2009.

Our working day was split into two waves.  The first wave was the large-scale exercise and the second wave was our continuation training wave during which we could essentially devise our own sortie and choose where we wanted to concentrate our training. Week three of the four week exercise was dedicated to a night large-scale exercise which concentrated the mind to say the least.  The engineers, as always, did a sterling job and the jets behaved themselves extremely well out in the desert.

During the continuation training waves we carried out dissimilar air combat sorties with all aircraft types during which the Typhoon performed extremely well.  These sorties provided excellent training opportunities for everybody involved.

We were accommodated in the city of Abu Dhabi for the duration of the detachment.  Everybody enjoyed the local culture and there was a great deal of socialising as each nation took it in turns to organise an entertainment event during the course.

With Christmas just around the corner the Squadron is looking forward to some well earned rest before what is shaping up to be an extremely busy 2009.

On behalf of XI Squadron I wish you all the best for the festive period.

Regards,

Andy King

I guess that F22 has benefited of Rafale deploiement to red flag to derisk a direct confrontation.

Or Eurofighter could be here to fight F22 then Rafale at at the end UAE get the results.

It is a problem if we have to use our best ECM vs a F22 which would sniff every trons.

 

Well maybe we should propose a real combat with real munitions including Mica IR (explosives could be removed to limit risks for pilots).

 

First missile are 112 to 140 kg and often pass at a few meter distance to airframe and explode to proximity fuze.

Even in real combat, half pilots who aircraft is hit, eject and survive.

probability of being killed would probably be well under 10% chance if you remove explosives from missiles.

A real combat is the ultimate proof.

If you pay a pilot 2 million euros to add to patriotic commitments, I guess you would find a lot of volonteers.

Nothing if you compare to end contract value of maybe 10 billions.

The weight quoted was a random figure for comical effect it wasnt meant to be taken literally.

 

Now while im sure youre joing with the above suggestion - I will add in the spirit of statistics -youre failing to account for the risk of severe spinal injuries etc through ejecting.

 

 

 

 

 

I would like to see it happen, but it will probably only be a showcase of the 3 fighters.

 

I don't think its in interest of these 3 company/country to do that kind of contest. They have more to lose than what the could gain.

 

Truly, Lockheed Martin have nothing to gain, the raptor is not for sale (yet) and is already seen as be the best, why jeopardize all that? Even if its unlikely, a single lost for the F-22 raptor would have a catastrophic effect on the current F-35 program. and a success probably wont boost the f-35 sale. An i am not talking about pressious information that could be gain from such engagement...

 

 

It is an interop exercise simulating a large scale air battle, just like TLP and Red Flag.  I'm sure people are going to hot dog around in DACT, scheduled or not, but that's not the point of going there.

FS, you're not seriously talking about shooting missiles at other aircraft during a training exercise, are you?

 

Tell you what--let me shoot you with a bullet.  Don't worry; it probably won't hit and if it does, you'll probably survive...right?

 

(You are joking, I hope.)