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Subject: Brimstone in Afghanistan
Heorot    10/30/2009 5:30:12 PM
Laser Brimstone has bee fired in anger for the first time. ht*p://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/10/30/334162/raf-hails-performance-of-tornado-gr4-in-afghanistan.html The RAF has detailed its first combat use of the newly upgraded weapon, which weighs roughly 50kg (110lb). A Tornado fired one of the missiles at a Taliban insurgent who was firing on coalition troops from a so-called "murder hole" carved within the wall of a compound. It scored a direct hit, destroying only a 1.5m (5ft) section of wall and without causing collateral damage to surrounding buildings. An RAF source describes the new weapon as "a massive success", adding: "It is incredibly accurate". The missile is also capable of striking moving ground targets, the source adds.
 
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Bluewings12       10/30/2009 9:27:58 PM
It proves the accuracy of the Brimstone . Small and deadly weapon .
 
However ;-) , why not using a Sniper with a 7,65 or a 9mm bullet (or a 50cal) to kill a single Taliban ?
Do you know how many bullets you can get for the price of a Brimstone ? Few thousands and some more ...
I understand that the Tornado was there and it did a fine job (!) , but ... well , it is an expensive way to kill a single Taliban .
 
Cheers .
 
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jackjack       10/30/2009 9:52:58 PM
is this because you dont believe in CAS or is it sour grapes because rafales AtoG missile has an accuracy of 10m
 
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gf0012-aust       10/30/2009 10:09:35 PM
but ... well , it is an expensive way to kill a single Taliban .


10 years ago the russians killed a chechyan leader by using a tactical ballistic missile.  80km from target. 15 mins from ident to termination.  $1,000,000 to kill a terrorist and a GAZ 4wd.

its about the value of the target - not the cost of the system to prosecute and kill.
 
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Beazz       10/30/2009 10:14:09 PM
It is amazing. No matter what any other nations weapons do or how well they do it, if it somehow does it better then the French ( which is fairly common ) BW & FS always follows it up with a *but* or *if* !! Chill out BW, I'm sure sooner or later France will shoot one or 2 more missiles in a land far far away and then the mighty Rafail will be *combat proven* again lol
 
Beazz
 
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gf0012-aust       10/31/2009 12:47:52 AM

is this because you dont believe in CAS or is it sour grapes because rafales AtoG missile has an accuracy of 10m

actually it's because he hasn't understood that the kill decision is based on real time issues such as target opportunity,  the value of the target and what the tactical constraints were/are. real time opportunity based termination events aren't based on "value for money". 

for someone who was in the military he demonstrates a pi$$ poor comprehension of how this probably came about.
 
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RedParadize       10/31/2009 4:05:29 PM
Just imagine what a bunch of tornado could have done with that missile in the first gulf war. 
 
The Birmstone seem to be a very potent missile, versatile and accurate. It was designed to destroy tank, and now it blow sniper and bunker. I am sure air force around the world will be seduce by its flexibility.
 
I wonder if it could be adapted to LO plane. in all the video i have seen, the missile is fired from its rack. It would have to be dropped prior its ignition to be lunch from a F-35 bay.
 
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Aussiegunneragain       10/31/2009 7:57:06 PM

However ;-) , why not using a Sniper with a 7,65 or a 9mm bullet (or a 50cal) to kill a single Taliban ?

Don't you think the Taliban design their "murder holes" with avoiding the entry of bullets in mind, ya knob.
 
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Lynstyne       11/1/2009 4:35:50 AM




However ;-) , why not using a Sniper with a 7,65 or a 9mm bullet (or a 50cal) to kill a single Taliban ?





Don't you think the Taliban design their "murder holes" with avoiding the entry of bullets in mind, ya knob.


I ignored the comment but on reading youre coment i noticed the 9mm
 
Im picturing a monty python scene
excuse me you with the kalishnikov - yes you behind the cover yes you . you  - would you be so good as to not shoot whilst i come and stand closer to you,    thats right   now raise youre head above the parapet
Dashed good of you    BANG -
right gentlemen thats how you tackle a conceled enemy   Jones youre up next.
 
For an ex S.F guy he seems rather ill informed and educated regarding  certain issues.
 
Id love to know what unit he was in    - My better halfs brother was with a french elite outfit (para comando type thing name and designation lost in translation,  but he seems to be much better informed
 
 
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jackjack       11/1/2009 5:16:30 AM
For an ex S.F guy he seems rather ill informed and educated regarding  certain issues.
Id love to know what unit he was in   
 

gee, ya dont think he's lying again, do you ?
any bets that he has never been in service ?
 
he's actually giving the french a bad name and the lying little toe rag doent even live there
as per a post of his on the french site, air-defense.net
 
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gf0012-aust       11/1/2009 5:42:14 AM
For an ex S.F guy he seems rather ill informed and educated regarding  certain issues.

for an ex Specwarrie (or any professional soldier) to make those comments and be seemingly ignorant about the circumstances and tactical constraints either makes him a troll - or someone who's been cavalier with the truth about his prev occupation

..... especially when the french have also been involved in these events
 
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