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Subject: Question: What aircraft would you choose For RCAF?
RedParadize    10/28/2009 7:21:11 PM
The CF-18 fleet is expected to serve until about 2017-2020. The current plan is to buy 65 F-35. that give a good indication of how many money Canada is ready to spend on new aircraft. My question is: In regard of traditional RCAF need and future challenge, What would be your alternative if the F-35 is delayed or unavailable beyond this date?
 
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gf0012-aust       11/1/2009 1:33:44 AM

Agreed, but as Boeing have formally proposed same and Hilary has reportedly signed off on it...
did any require Congressional imprimatur etc....?  that would indicate whether there was anything special attached to the deal...
 
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Lynstyne       11/1/2009 5:01:21 AM
Can USAF aircraft refuel the Canadian Hornet.
 
The hornet is a USN design and uses a different refuel technique than the airforce.  I believe the RAF is providing the USN with a lot of tanker support over somwhere sandy.
 
Does any one no why the 2 services didnt adopt the same system.  
 
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sinoflex       11/1/2009 5:09:49 AM

Can USAF aircraft refuel the Canadian Hornet.


 
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Lynstyne       11/1/2009 1:08:32 PM
A simple yes would have sufficed - but thanks for  the pictures that is certainly reasonable evidence.
Im going to assume the KC135 has multi pont refuelling and obviously both types. 
 
I could google but i prefr not to. 
 
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Beryoza       11/1/2009 9:03:03 PM

I'm seeing 500 miles combat radius for the Gripen and 449 for the Super Hornet, so it's not much of a difference.  You're right, though...I didn't realize they were that close.  The Super Hornet has a slight (70 mile) edge in max range over the Gripen, but that's a damn slim margin.  Learn something knew every day!

 

GF-Aust is probably right, though.  Canada is so integrated into the US that it will probably buy American.  Still, it's not impossible...especially given Obama's record for antagonizing our allies.

 


Ditto on the range issue....didn't expect the Gripen to out-do the Shornet.

 
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Aussie Diggermark 2       11/1/2009 9:19:01 PM



Agreed, but as Boeing have formally proposed same and Hilary has reportedly signed off on it...

did any require Congressional imprimatur etc....?  that would indicate whether there was anything special attached to the deal...


Given the Countries it is being offered to, I expect that clearance issues for the proposals were sorted out in advance. Perception is always an issue for some of these countries... 
 
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sentinel28a       11/2/2009 3:22:53 PM

A simple yes would have sufficed - but thanks for  the pictures that is certainly reasonable evidence.


Im going to assume the KC135 has multi pont refuelling and obviously both types. 

 

I could google but i prefr not to. 


The KC-135 has to be modified on the ground with a drogue basket (which doesn't take very long).  The KC-10 is a multipoint refueller.
 
I seem to recall somewhere that the old CAF 707s carried refuelling pods--I don't know if the CAF have any C-130s outfitted with pods or they've modified their CC-150s with them.
 
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jackjack       11/2/2009 6:19:41 PM

I'm seeing 500 miles combat radius for the Gripen and 449 for the Super Hornet, so it's not much of a difference.  You're right, though...I didn't realize they were that close.  The Super Hornet has a slight (70 mile) edge in max range over the Gripen, but that's a damn slim margin.  Learn something knew every day!

 

i think the mission profile of 500 odd includies a long "on station" time
a dedicated strike and return would be further

 
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sinoflex       11/2/2009 6:37:04 PM


The KC-135 has to be modified on the ground with a drogue basket (which doesn't take very long).  The KC-10 is a multipoint refueller.

I seem to recall somewhere that the old CAF 707s carried refuelling pods--I don't know if the CAF have any C-130s outfitted with pods or they've modified their CC-150s with them.


Yes, the old CAF 707s (CC-137) that were retired back in 1997 had the pods.  Canada was once responsible for reinforcing NATO's northern flank in Norway and part of that commitment included ferrying fighters from Canada in the event of a conflict with the Soviets. 
 
Two our five CC-150s (new designation CC-150T) were modified back in 2007 to carry refueling pods.  Some of our Hercs have been tasked with tactical inflight refueling duties but they are not dedicated resources nor are the CC-150Ts as their primary mission is airlift.   Their squadrons aren't even based with or near any fighter squadrons.   I guess we rely primarily on the US for inflight refueling as part of our NORAD duties.

 
 
 
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